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[Q=sigmundr] I just find it amusing how people scramble and trip over themselves to try to justify the way people get conned over and over again with timeshare traps -- and it's becoming obvious that, just like the TUG boards (yes it's true, folks, the emporer is naked), this forum is infested by people with ulterior motives. As if this is just some friendly community where people who enjoy timesharing gather to discuss their horridly overpriced "vacations." Back when I had my timeshare, I know I never talked like that, and neither did any of the neighbors in my (former) unit. So who are these people who are so ineptly trying to defend this industry? The same ones who profit from it at the expense of gullible people (as I once was). All I'm going to say about myself is that I'm delighted not to have this gigantic financial millstone around my neck any longer. If I can help one person get out of the trap -- by any means necessary -- then I'll have done my part. This is why I'm here. I said it before and I say it again: TSR uses the timeshares they buy by renting them out for conferences and seminars -- effectively converting them from timeshares to hotel rooms. Now, in what world is that even nearing something that's illegal or unethical? In fact, it's taking scam properties and turning them into a legitimate business. TSR deserves a medal for doing that. Most of the TS industry hates this company because they offer people a way out where there isn't usually one. Let me add to this. They hate TSR also because they reveal the TS industry for the ripoff that it is. I'm going to close by quoting the only sane response I've seen on this thread, and hope that readers can see it for the even-handed, impartial response that it is. From elsas3: "It's funny how you see this on virtually every timeshare forum when someone even whisphers the name Timeshare Relief. Personally, I'm suspect of such knee-jerk emotionally driven reactions. I can see a case for both sides while not subscribing any particular evil to either one. If you're a happy timeshare owner then hey good for you. Have at it! Vacation away. If you're a miserable timeshare owner and have invested enough time, energy and money into something you detest and see fit to transfer your title with Timeshare Relief then hey, good for you too. Why does that anger everyone so much? "I mean come on, it's an absolute farce to pretend the timesharing industry isn't corrupt. It just is. Sure there are the occassional exceptions to the rule but by and large it's a scam. Let's just call a spade a spade here. As for the TUG boards, yes, they are helpful and they are helpful to people who have unlimited time and resources to invest in their vacation planning. For the average Joe who got suckered into a piece of crap property they really can't afford probably not so much and it's silly to suggest that everyone on TUG is on the up and up. While there are a number of very well informed people on that site there are also a number of industry people and if you believe for a minute they aren't there with an agenda, well, then I suppose you're perfect for a timeshare." To any readers who stop by this thread, please know that I won't be responding after this post. There will probably be some sharks who will try and spin things around, they'll equivocate, and they'll show themselves to be way too defensive to be the casual vacationers that they claim they are. If you want to know the truth about TimeShare Relief, don't listen to them but rather Google the company yourself. I'm seriously glad that I did that a few months ago. Sigmund R.[/Q] If you are so glad to have gotten out of your timeshare ownership, and you consider the whole industry to be fraught with fraud and scams, why are you even visiting a timeshare-related web site like Redweek.com? If you are merely a former timeshare owner, and not a person with a vested financial interest in TSR, how would you even know what TSR does with the weeks they obtain from owners? Do you think anyone reading these posts is gullible enough to believe that " TSR uses the timeshares they buy by renting them out for conferences and seminars -- effectively converting them from timeshares to hotel rooms." This is so idiotic! Conferences and seminars take place in timeshare units???????? That would be against the maximum occupancy limits of almost every timeshare property. And how would TSR ever get their hands on enough units from the same resort to meet the needs of a seminar group? Our experience shows that if any of the weeks acquired by TSR are at a decent resort at a decent time of the year, they wind up being auctioned off on Ebay. Why would TSR choose to retain ownership of acquired weeks, and pay the annual maintenance fees and Special assessments, to obtain maybe a couple of hundered dollars profit on a rental, when they could sell them outright for much bigger bucks? Afterall, they have already collected thousands of dollars from the hapless owner for the privilege of taking the timeshare off their hands. They make enough money doing this to not need to fiddle around running a timeshare rental company. And if such a company existed, why wouldn't it have a web site? How would all of these people allegedly arranging business meetings and seminars know how to find you--or, rather them? As for you quoting some anonymous "Elsie" who, like you, has not given one credible piece of information that would convince anyone that "she" is a disinterested party, you greatly understimate the intelligence of the people who will be reading these messages. There were three different "names" posting this same type of nonsense on the Timeshare Users Group forums. The computer gurus who frequent the TUG boards were able to trace all of the posts back to the same computer. And kick you, um I mean them, off the boards. Aren't you worried about this happening here? Those of us spending all of this time and effort responding to your posts are truly motivated by a love of timesharing and a desire to see that less informed people are not taking advantage of (or scammed). I have absolutely no ulterior motive, no financial "angle" whatsoever. My excellent "credentials" as a volunteer in helping timeshare owners are outlined in earlier messages. And the reputation of the Timeshare Users Group http://www.tug2.net , against which you have made riduculous accusations, is so well respected that if you had anything credible to say, no one would bother listening. Continue promoting despicable companies like TSR and we will continue informing people of far better alternatives.