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jayjay, you are kidding about TUG, right? It costs money to run a site and keep it upgraded. They only make $15.00 a year to join and give a free classified ad. The volunteers love timeshare, which makes them biased toward timeshare. If it weren't for TUG, I would not have found Redweek. I don't understand your attitude toward TUG at all. Redweek is all about capitalism and profit, while TUG is about helping timeshare owners. There is a huge difference to my mind. Your forums do need to be upgraded, if you are going to be a viable competition to TUG and Timeshareforums. If your attitude against TUG is spouted much here, I guarantee you will lose business from TUG members.