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Just to recap, you have to SUBSCRIBE to the Manhattan Club listserv, you cannot just sent a message without doing so before hand. I just tried the link below and it does work; it will take you to where you need to subscribe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/manhattanclubowners/join Once you do, then you will be able to post to the list and get replies. It's quiet on the list right now but, when it heats up about something, it really heats up. Good luck.