Original Message:
More agreement than not here... (by KC):
Carvana:
My sincere thanks for the intelligent discourse, which I always value, welcome and respect. With your concessions and clarifications as stated above, I have to believe that we don't actually disagree on much of real substance in this matter. Regarding the $300 paid by JohnD to "warrenf", warrens' own (deleted) statements in RedWeek postings (as well as his eBay ads, which also revealed warrens' actual geographic location) made very clear that he (warrenf) routinely charged each participant $300 in this scheme. JohnD, as you note, only vaguely alluded to having made that required payment.
Retrieval and examination of the details and underlying facts (and / or "warrenf's" assorted bold previous statements and pronouncements regarding details of his contrived shell "trust") is unfortunately now made impossible by "warrenf" having been long ago "booted" from this site. Most (maybe all) of "warrenf's" posts were appropriately deleted by site moderators upon his departure, presumably to protect innocent others from entering into (and paying $300 into) "warrenfs'" contrived shell trust scheme. Perhaps someone in authority, armed with a subpoena, will someday seek to "resurrect" warrenf's deleted overt solicitations and incriminating statements for investigation and (at least potentially) prosecution purposes. Who knows...? I believe that we share a common goal in voluntarily providing our respective input based upon a genuine interest in consumer advocacy. With all of the deceit, misrepresentation, half-truths and outright lies so widespread throughout the timeshare industry, I believe that it's important to keep the spotlight focused sharply upon those "performers" of ill intent who publicly choose to step to "front and center stage". There are certainly lots of them --- and the supply seems truly endless.
As a timeshare owner, I know the consequences of scams like "warrens"; the burden of unpaid fees is ultimately borne by the rest of the owners at a facility who actually DO pay their bills. Those good people, honoring their commitments and obligations, then have to "make up the difference" in financial shortfalls created by delinquent owners. At smaller resorts, where all unit / weeks are sold out and the developer is consequently long gone, the "deep pockets" are also long gone too. Short of actual foreclosure (which incurs additional expense) even a well run HOA can do only so much with collecting back fees from delinquent owners. I also believe in shining the "bright, focused spotlight of truth" on such scams, in hopes of leaving fewer dark holes and hiding places available to those who would knowingly take advantage of innocent others. It has been said that nothing illuminates better than bright sunlight...