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Re: Manhattan Club Lawsuit (by Chris V.):

fibo,

thanks for the clarification. it is helpful, useful and informative. however, part of it is still cloudy: i thought we purchasers of TMC timeshare OWNED the deeds, and are responsible for maintenance fees and the taxes on the number of weeks purchased. where does the separation of deed ownership come in? was it a cloak of mystery created by eichner?

fibon wrote:

Chris: my post has nothing to do with TMC rentals to general public or Park Central Hotel. The post was addressed to those owners who want to find out who is the owner and taxpayer of their TIMESHARE UNIT, according to their Deeds. Each of 286 TMC units has an owner or assignee who is responsible for the RE tax payments for that unit. Personally, I want to know all the information on my interest and unit, and avoid receiving tax bills for $20000.

Here is the site for the TMC RE tax records:

https://a836-pts-access.nyc.gov/care/search/commonsearch.aspx?mode=persprop

Official address of the C/O Manhattan Club is : 200 W 56 Street, New York, NY AKA 870 7-th Avenue New York, NY

My unit 1616, Block 1027 Lot 1324, like other units, has been registered and assessed at the address 870 7-th Avenue. Units at the floors 22 and up are registered at 200 W 56 Str. My unit's owner and taxpayer is T. Park; other units have been assigned to individual owners, trustees, other LLCs, etc.

If you are not interested in tax information for your unit, just skip the post. Would be more productive, instead of googling Yelp, to clue up on ACRIS records, Powers of Attorney, Purchase Agreement, Offering Plan and other documents that we all signed off.

Samples of the owner-taxpayer of the unit: 16-the Floor

870 7 AVENUE #1612 Borough: MANHATTAN Block: 1027 Lot: 1321 Property Owner(s) VIN NY NY, LLC A FLORIDA LIMITED LIABILI,

25-th Floor

200 WEST 56 STREET #2503 Borough: MANHATTAN Block: 1027 Lot: 1156 Property Owner(s) HOLIDAY EQUITY LLCTY COMPANY

chrisv126 wrote:

fibo,

it's a rather thought-provoking task to fully understand your comments. i am not, at this point, refuting anything you wrote here; i'm asking for a simplification of your explanation. i went to the link that you provided. one of the lines lists the address of the manhattan club as 870 seventh av. when i googled that address it clearly indicated that this was the address of the park central hotel (PCH). the address of the manhattan club is clearly 200 w fifty-sixth st.

copy and paste the following fyi:

https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-manhattan-club-new-york

you might note on the above site, the majority of the reviews of TMC/"HOTEL" are from transient visitors, not owners. TMC is mistakenly listed on most travel sites as a hotel. nowhere in my TMC owner's paperwork/documents (that i noted) is it called or operated as a hotel.

this information further muddles (not that this is your intention) our issues with TMC. there is no clarity regarding who owns what. is TMC a part of PCH or vice versa? is TMC a hotel or a timeshare? we all bought our week (s) .............we thought ............as a timeshare, with no hint of a hotel affiliation, the only exception being the PCH's proximity/attached location........operated as a separate hotel entity. now, there are hints of the hotel and timeshare being co-joined and operated in common by the same criminally fraudulent owners. reliable hearsay indicates that when the PCH is overbooked, accommodations are offered in TMC, thereby taking reservation time away from maintenance-paying owners. the scam and fraud continue right under the nose of the enforcement section (louis solomon) of the new york state attorney general's office.

fibon wrote:

richard484, I feel sorry for your situation. Herein the explanation. Pursuant to the Offering Plan, Section "Real Estate Taxes" , taxes being assessed against each Timeshare UNIT by the City of New York, therefore they are billed as a separate line item. The Timeshare Association has the responsibility of collecting RE taxes and paying to the NYC Finance on behalf of all owners.

The structure of C/O Manhattan Club is in two layers: condo unit owners and timeshare owners (we signed Condo and Timeshare Powers of Attorney). T / O /H / R Park LLCs, in most cases, are the owners of Condo units and sell 52 weeks per unit. But not always; the owner of the Condo unit might be an individual or any other corporation, in some cases an owner who purchased several interests in the same unit was assigned as a taxpayer for the unit.

NYAG Finance department provides public access to the RE tax information and billing. You may search who is the owner-taxpayer of your unit (s) by entering BBL info - Block and Lot Number; Block for the Manhattan Club is 1027. Or by the address by entering "870 7 avenue + unit number."

https://a836-pts-access.nyc.gov/care/search/commonsearch.aspx?mode=persprop

E.g. the owner of the unit Block 1027 Lot 1324 is T. Park Central LLC. Currently T. Park is behind for $25, 625.00, the amount which is closed to the lean for your unit. Since 2014 TMC has been always late with payments thus the TMC owners were covering it's past dues. On the top, TMC currently is in a lawsuit with NYC at the NY Supreme Court regarding tax assessment, case index No 0258200/2015.

richard484 wrote:

I just received a "90-Day Notice of Intention to Sell Tax Liens" showing that for quarters 2, 3, and 4 for 2018 and for quarters 1 and 2 of 2019, I have a tax due of $21,917.81. I must resolve these charges by July 19, 2019 or my property will be sold. The property address is 870 7th Avenue, which I assume is the Manhattan Club. Since I do not own the Manhattan Club, but only a timeshare interest, on which the taxes are about $380 per year, I find it difficult to understand how I owe $21,917.81.

Apparently, the Manhattan Club is delinquent in paying there taxes. However, it is also difficult to understand how the taxes for the Manhattan Club could only be $21,917.81 for five quarters.

Did anyone else receive this notice or am I the only lucky one who now owns the entire building?