We Collect Timeshares, LLC

I tell you what.. Go look at this website www.thecharitygroup.com and then come back and comment on what you think you can do with your timeshare that you want to get rid of..You will certainly be pleased with this group as they do wonderful work and most of the time they don't sell the timeshares. They use them as getaways for company workers or gifts of a free week in another city for poor families that would otherwise never have a vacation because of finances. Take a look. It is another choice other than "We Collect" and you get out of the "chase" to get rid of your timeshare..And your childen will be spared the horrible life of neverending maintenance fees that will burden them forever (a quote from We Collect personnel) You're welcome..

william8 wrote:

I tell you what.. Go look at this website www.thecharitygroup.com and then come back and comment on what you think you can do with your timeshare that you want to get rid of..You will certainly be pleased with this group as they do wonderful work and most of the time they don't sell the timeshares. They use them as getaways for company workers or gifts of a free week in another city for poor families that would otherwise never have a vacation because of finances. Take a look. It is another choice other than "We Collect" and you get out of the "chase" to get rid of your timeshare..And your childen will be spared the horrible life of neverending maintenance fees that will burden them forever (a quote from We Collect personnel) You're welcome..

While donating a timeshare to charity is certainly a fine and noble idea (and a potential tax deduction), the simple reality is that far more such offers of "donation" are rejected than are accepted. Recipients are smart enough to know that they are, in essence, "accepting" an annual maintenance fee bill obligation along with this "gift". The "gift" immediately translates into an ongoing bill. MOST charities, MOST of the time simply say "no thank you"..........

ken1193 wrote:

william8 wrote:

I tell you what.. Go look at this website www.thecharitygroup.com and then come back and comment on what you think you can do with your timeshare that you want to get rid of..You will certainly be pleased with this group as they do wonderful work and most of the time they don't sell the timeshares. They use them as getaways for company workers or gifts of a free week in another city for poor families that would otherwise never have a vacation because of finances. Take a look. It is another choice other than "We Collect" and you get out of the "chase" to get rid of your timeshare..And your childen will be spared the horrible life of neverending maintenance fees that will burden them forever (a quote from We Collect personnel) You're welcome..

While donating a timeshare to charity is certainly a fine and noble idea (and a potential tax deduction), the simple reality is that far more such offers of "donation" are rejected than are accepted. Recipients are smart enough to know that they are, in essence, "accepting" an annual maintenance fee bill obligation along with this "gift". The "gift" immediately translates into an ongoing bill. MOST charities, MOST of the time simply say "no thank you"..........

WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? I have spoken to at least 4 couples who wished to "get rid" of their timeshare and that has been over a two year period. NONE of them has had any problem in donating their timeshare. There isn't just one charity out there to donate to. The Kidney Foundation actually has a specialist who deals with donations of real property and timeshares full time. I have actually spoken to this individual and the major reason for the declination of timeshares is that the owners are not truthful, are behind in their payments or there is litigation underway at the resort property which involves the current owners. All I am saying is you have to take the time to check it out. It won't happen overnight and there may be a time when you will have to actually talk to a real human being..You want to be "rid" of your timeshare, you need to become involved, do some research and stop listening to the naysayers of doom. "We Collect Timeshares" may proclaim to be the savior of the kept people of RCI and II properties but THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION. You're welcome. OK WCT, your turn..

jayjay wrote:

adahiscout wrote:

Once We Collect Timeshares takes on a property to sell, do they become responsible for paying any new maintenance fees falling due until the property does sell? MD

No, you are still responsible for maintenance fees.

Believe it or not, You actually ARE NOT responsible for the maintenance fees. That is one of the very few things they say they will take care of and then actually do.

Re: >> WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? << ======================================

I'm not at all sure to whom this particular inquiry is actually directed. However, I posted some input on this thread, so if it is directed to me my reply is that I am semi-retired, work for no one but myself, and do some legal and privare investigation work on a part time basis. Perhaps most important and relevant, however, I have never before even heard of "We Collect Timeshares, LLC", whoever / whatever they may be.

That clearly stated, based upon my own personal experience and that of many, many other owners / posters on Timeshare Users Group, and Timeshare Forums.com, two well established sites populated by many knowledgeable and well experienced timeshare owners, donations of timeshare weeks are FAR more often rejected than accepted, regardless of which charity is involved. I have no "agenda" in making that simple observation and irrefutable statement of fact.

The timeshares that are accepted by Donate for A Cause (just one example of many, but one which represents a host of widely different and unrelated charities), are those for which sale and turnaround is quick and easy. In short, that means a timeshare which has some inherent value (desirable week, desirable area, high end chain, etc.) White, floating, studio weeks in Branson, MO, Kissimmee or Orlando, Fl or Williamsburg, VA, to cite just a few specific examples, simply don't cut it in those criteria, being for sale "a dime a dozen" --- and not easily sold. ======================================

Re: >> I have spoken to at least 4 couples who wished to "get rid" of their timeshare and that has been over a two year period. NONE of them has had any problem in donating their timeshare. <<

I'm genuinely happy for these four couples and for the recipient charities. However, their experience is the exception rather than the rule and is NOT mirrored by the reported experiences of dozens and dozens of folks reporting on attempts at donation on the aforementioned specific timeshare sites. =======================================

Re: >> ... the major reason for the declination of timeshares is that the owners are not truthful, are behind in their payments or there is litigation underway at the resort property which involves the current owners. <<

Sorry, but I find that claim very hard to believe since most charities require a SIGNED statement BEFORE even evaluating the offer that there are no mortgages, liens or encumbrances, all fees are paid up and current and no future weeks have been either rented out or deposited with any exchange company. The "yes or no" determination for acceptance is then promptly made (usually by a broker, not by the charity itself --- Donate for a Cause uses Resort Closings, Inc. of Bozeman, MT to make their decision for them). The decision is, of course, subject to change later if/when any inaccurate or untruthful (signed) statements are uncovered or any litigation discovered or initiated. Under that same signature is included agreement for advertising cost reimbursement in the event of any owner misrepresentation.

As stated already, I believe donation to be a generous and noble act, but one which is not available, far more often than such an offer being accepted.

You appear to be angry or upset with (or at) someone here on the topic of timeshare donation. It is not at all clear to me about whom you are so fired up. Am I missing something here? And since I don't see anyone "thanking" you, to whom are you directing your gratuitous "you're welcome" pronouncements?

I don't want to ditch any of our timeshares at present but have wondered whether a charity would accept a donated week now and then for Make a Wish or some such. Any knowledge on this? MD

adahiscout wrote:

I don't want to ditch any of our timeshares at present but have wondered whether a charity would accept a donated week now and then for Make a Wish or some such. Any knowledge on this? MD

Some donation sites have a list of timeshares they will not take. I believe www.donateforacause.com has such a list on their website.

jayjay wrote:

adahiscout wrote:

I don't want to ditch any of our timeshares at present but have wondered whether a charity would accept a donated week now and then for Make a Wish or some such. Any knowledge on this? MD

Some donation sites have a list of timeshares they will not take. I believe www.donateforacause.com has such a list on their website.

ken1193 wrote:

Re: >> WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? << ======================================

I'm not at all sure to whom this particular inquiry is actually directed. However, I posted some input on this thread, so if it is directed to me my reply is that I am semi-retired, work for no one but myself, and do some legal and privare investigation work on a part time basis. Perhaps most important and relevant, however, I have never before even heard of "We Collect Timeshares, LLC", whoever / whatever they may be.

That clearly stated, based upon my own personal experience and that of many, many other owners / posters on Timeshare Users Group, and Timeshare Forums.com, two well established sites populated by many knowledgeable and well experienced timeshare owners, donations of timeshare weeks are FAR more often rejected than accepted, regardless of which charity is involved. I have no "agenda" in making that simple observation and irrefutable statement of fact.

The timeshares that are accepted by Donate for A Cause (just one example of many, but one which represents a host of widely different and unrelated charities), are those for which sale and turnaround is quick and easy. In short, that means a timeshare which has some inherent value (desirable week, desirable area, high end chain, etc.) White, floating, studio weeks in Branson, MO, Kissimmee or Orlando, Fl or Williamsburg, VA, to cite just a few specific examples, simply don't cut it in those criteria, being for sale "a dime a dozen" --- and not easily sold. ======================================

Re: >> I have spoken to at least 4 couples who wished to "get rid" of their timeshare and that has been over a two year period. NONE of them has had any problem in donating their timeshare. <<

I'm genuinely happy for these four couples and for the recipient charities. However, their experience is the exception rather than the rule and is NOT mirrored by the reported experiences of dozens and dozens of folks reporting on attempts at donation on the aforementioned specific timeshare sites. =======================================

Re: >> ... the major reason for the declination of timeshares is that the owners are not truthful, are behind in their payments or there is litigation underway at the resort property which involves the current owners. <<

Sorry, but I find that claim very hard to believe since most charities require a SIGNED statement BEFORE even evaluating the offer that there are no mortgages, liens or encumbrances, all fees are paid up and current and no future weeks have been either rented out or deposited with any exchange company. The "yes or no" determination for acceptance is then promptly made (usually by a broker, not by the charity itself --- Donate for a Cause uses Resort Closings, Inc. of Bozeman, MT to make their decision for them). The decision is, of course, subject to change later if/when any inaccurate or untruthful (signed) statements are uncovered or any litigation discovered or initiated. Under that same signature is included agreement for advertising cost reimbursement in the event of any owner misrepresentation.

As stated already, I believe donation to be a generous and noble act, but one which is not available, far more often than such an offer being accepted.

You appear to be angry or upset with (or at) someone here on the topic of timeshare donation. It is not at all clear to me about whom you are so fired up. Am I missing something here? And since I don't see anyone "thanking" you, to whom are you directing your gratuitous "you're welcome" pronouncements?

The title of this forum was "We Collect Timeshares" and my thoughts, words and resentment is aimed entirely at them because of their underhanded means of getting trusting owners to attend their presentations only to hear that there is "Only One Way Out" and that is to sign over their property to WCT and pay around 3 thousand dollars to be rid of their encumbrance. The lies given by these presenters at their presentation should be and are being exposed on this forum. Giving owners another option, whether it be donation, renting the units themselves or giving family members and friends a week at a resort is the main topic of my statements. I am asking the owners not to sit back and let the timeshare rule you. Do something about it. Even if it is putting it on eBay for $1 and letting Resort Closings, whom I have used to purchase property myself, sell it to someone else who wishes to venture into the great unknown world of timeshares. I apologize to those who thought they had a good thing and then come to realize they can't get rid of it by any means. When you are dealt a hand of lemons, make lemonade and enjoy it. But if you can use the options I have mentioned then by all means use them. But they won't take care of themselves, you have to do something about it. Stand up and make a decision to make the best of a bad situation. And if it means giving someone 3 thousand dollars to take over the timeshare, well that too is an option. But I consider it an option of last resort. There are, as stated by the aforeposted writer, exceptions to the rule, and I sincerely hope that your property is an exception. But you won't know unless you try. Costs nothing to inquire about it. Try it! You're welcome. But since you Mr. Part Time Investigator and Legal Worker decided that it was your job to defend these people (WCT) and their tactics I responded to offer my advice. Why don't you post something legal to help these people with their plight. Or maybe go to an actual presentation by this underhanded company and confront them with their lies like I did. I was escorted out of the room and given a stamp for my parking pass. And I did wait until the presentation (90 minute which turned into 3 hours) was over before I stood up and asked questions. Then the "door guards" turned into salesmen with release forms in their hands and I was asked to leave by the presenter and not cause a commotion. If you haven't been to one of their presentations then I urge you to attend. Take a notepad and a pencil because you have to do a lot of erasing while they are giving their speech. They tend to say "let me back up a moment and say this" before they continue to the punch line asking for money. Your thoughts and comments are welcome.

william8 states, quoted in pertinent part:

>> But since you Mr. Part Time Investigator and Legal Worker decided that it was your job to defend these people (WCT) and their tactics I responded to offer my advice. Why don't you post something legal to help these people with their plight. << ======================================

Excuse me??? You apparently have me confused with someone else. I have absolutely (and consistently) no use whatsoever for ANY so-called "Postcard Company" of any kind or flavor. Accordingly, I have certainly NEVER, at ANY time, offered a single word of "defense" of these parasites (and parasites is exactly the one and only word which I've ever used to describe them in the many instances where I've offered input and/or advice in RedWeek forums). I've also repeatedly suggested that people report their experiences directly to the Attorney General's office in the state in which the parasites have set up shop (often Florida, not always).

I stated in this thread that timeshare "donations" are far more easily discussed than accomplished --- and I said nothing more than that on the subject. If you can somehow construe that simple and straightforward observation of fact as "defending" any parasitic Postcard Company, well....then I just don't know what to say about your interpretive and/or reading skills.

For your information (....are you new around here??), I routinely offer and share my own input, experience and advice in various RedWeek forums on a variety of timeshare (and related legal) subjects, based primarily upon 20+ years of timeshare ownership and experience and (of a distant second relevance) a legal education background. None of that makes me an "expert" of any kind, but only a dunce doesn't learn SOMETHING in the course of several decades of direct involvement and personal experience. Clearly, you're angry about something here, but frankly your ire is misdirected. I am (and have always been) an advocate only for the timeshare consumer --- NOT for the parasitic "upfront fee" companies or the deceitful developer sales people.

If you're even interested, I have just posted a new thread on the subject of We Collect Timeshares / Timeshare Collectors, based upon a newly published article about them in the current issue of Timesharing Today magazine. I had never even heard of either entity before, but it certainly appears that they're gaining some real "name recognition" now.... ======================================

Re: >> Your thoughts and comments are welcome.<<

Provided above, plainly and clearly (with my apologies for multiple edits undertaken to correct my poor typing skills. Will not correct / edit further....).

Please see Ken's post below concerning a Ceast and Desist order against We Collect Timeshares. It's about time a government agency intervened in a timeshare related scam. I would like to see government intervention against upfront fee resale companies also.

http://www.redweek.com/forums/messages?thread_id=13091&page=1

Pretty bad when the owner of the company has to get online and stick up for his company!!! This company is a crock of **** and they do nothing but take your money and leave you hanging. They have incompetant people working for them and all they care about is themselves. They don't care about you or their employees. So when you do read a posting that is "for" them and not against them, that just means it is one of the owners trying to wiggle their way into your mind. Pretty bad when you have to use a "christian" front. They are the furthest things from "christians" that you will ever meet! Nice try to use that though!!!!!!

jonathang18 wrote:

judyp87 wrote:

Has anyone dealt with We Collect Timeshares, LLC? We attended one of their meetings and are interested in selling our timeshare but really do not want to pay to be rid of it. And even if we do pay, are we really free of the obligaton?

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Hi everyone.

I work for that company and I will tell you that it's a good company started by good christian people and I've seen them help over 4 thousand people. You may or may not know this but a lot of timeshares out there have little or no market value. I've seen them pay cash for good properties that can be resold , I've seen them take a lot of properties for free if they can sell it for a litte and yes, on difficult properties they do charge as little as 794 (and more) to do the deed transfer and pay the resort transfer fee. But what else can you do with these properties? You mentioned ebay. I watch it all the time. Hundreds go UNSOLD with no bids every week even at $1.

So what do you tell the person who has been trying to sell it for 4 years? Spent $2000 on M fees for nothing. More on Newspaper ads, ebay ads and still can't get out of it.

For those that love your timeshare you may not want to hear this, but there's nothing you can do most of the time to even just get OUT of these contracts

Pretty bad when the owner of the company has to get online and stick up for his company!!! This company is a crock of **** and they do nothing but take your money and leave you hanging. They have incompetant people working for them and all they care about is themselves. They don't care about you or their employees. So when you do read a posting that is "for" them and not against them, that just means it is one of the owners trying to wiggle their way into your mind. Pretty bad when you have to use a "christian" front. They are the furthest things from "christians" that you will ever meet! Nice try to use that though!!!!!!

eats3 wrote:

Pretty bad when the owner of the company has to get online and stick up for his company!!! This company is a crock of **** and they do nothing but take your money and leave you hanging. They have incompetant people working for them and all they care about is themselves. They don't care about you or their employees. So when you do read a posting that is "for" them and not against them, that just means it is one of the owners trying to wiggle their way into your mind. Pretty bad when you have to use a "christian" front. They are the furthest things from "christians" that you will ever meet! Nice try to use that though!!!!!!

Exactly, these scam artists are called shills.

Now we'd like to hear from jonathang18..who supposedly works for this "Christian" organization..

william8 wrote:

Now we'd like to hear from jonathang18..who supposedly works for this "Christian" organization..

You may or may not be aware (posts were quoted extensively at the time in other forums here) that the state of Washington licensing folks went after this company a few months ago, individually naming Jonathan and Christine Gibbs (company principals) in the charges, which were apparently filed as a prelude to the state seeking a formal "cease and desist" order.

The "beef" against "We Collect Timeshares" evidently stemmed from the principals failing to put deeds in their own names after acquiring them but before re-selling them again, which in effect allegedly constituted estate brokerage without a license.

I don't know the outcome of these enforcement actions initiated by the state of Washington, but I sincerely doubt that the Gibbs' legal counsel wants them having much (indeed, anything whatsoever) to say in an informal Internet "chat" forum such as this one. Accordingly, I wouldn't recommend holding your breath waiting to hear back from Jonathan Gibbs here in these forums...

ken1193 wrote:

william8 wrote:

Now we'd like to hear from jonathang18..who supposedly works for this "Christian" organization..

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You may or may not be aware (posts were quoted extensively at the time in other forums here) that the state of Washington licensing folks went after this company a few months ago, individually naming Jonathan and Christine Gibbs (company principals) in the charges, which were apparently filed as a prelude to the state seeking a formal "cease and desist" order.

The "beef" against "We Collect Timeshares" evidently stemmed from the principals failing to put deeds in their own names after acquiring them but before re-selling them again, which in effect allegedly constituted estate brokerage without a license.

I don't know the outcome of these enforcement actions initiated by the state of Washington, but I sincerely doubt that the Gibbs' legal counsel wants them having much (indeed, anything whatsoever) to say in an informal Internet "chat" forum such as this one. Accordingly, I wouldn't recommend holding your breath waiting to hear back from Jonathan Gibbs here in these forums...

But there are still folks like me who continue to receive "Postcards" from this WCT company. Like anybody else I guess they can continue to do business as usual until somebody shuts them down..Let's move on to someone else like Wyndham Resorts and their underhanded "give us your deeded week and we'll convert you to points for only an additional $30,000!" That was a real ripper there..Happened in San Antonio where they have built a new resort, that is not on the Riverwalk anyway, and they already had Riverside Suites which is an old historic building converted to Timeshare Condos (very nice indeed and directly on the Riverwalk) but now they are no longer pushing the Suites and are going head over heels to promote the new resort. Only thing is I believe they have violated the agreement with the owners in Riverside by discontinuing sales of timeshare intervals at Riverside Suites while the property is still less than 75% sold. Any legal eagles out there wish to comment?

william8 asks: >> Any legal eagles out there wish to comment?<< ============================================

My only comment is to note for the record that the subject / title of this thread is We Collect Timeshares LLC.

If you wish to start a new and entirely unrelated discussion on a new and completely unrelated topic, then the appropriate way to do so is to start a new thread with a new subject title, addressing this new, entirely different (and completely unrelated) matter of interest.......to you.

[inadvertent duplicate post voluntarily deleted here by Ken]

jeanr68 wrote:

judyp87 wrote:

Has anyone dealt with We Collect Timeshares, LLC? We attended one of their meetings and are interested in selling our timeshare but really do not want to pay to be rid of it. And even if we do pay, are we really free of the obligaton?

I'm questioning the legitamacy of this company because I paid them a lot of money to take over my timeshare and I'm being inuandated with bills they are supposed to pay. My credit rating is jepody because of them. I've called, written, and emailed them, with no satisfactory response.

jeanr68 wrote:

jeanr68 wrote:

judyp87 wrote:

Has anyone dealt with We Collect Timeshares, LLC? We attended one of their meetings and are interested in selling our timeshare but really do not want to pay to be rid of it. And even if we do pay, are we really free of the obligaton?

I'm questioning the legitamacy of this company because I paid them a lot of money to take over my timeshare and I'm being inuandated with bills they are supposed to pay. My credit rating is jepody because of them. I've called, written, and emailed them, with no satisfactory response.

Just forward the bill to the company. They will pay them. They close 100% of the files they contract to close. You can also call their office for a status update on your file and they will give you one