Manhattan Club Lawsuit

Do you realize that those of us that are not paying do not own anything. We only thought we did owned time at TMC. 14,000 of us bought units that didn’t exist according to the NY AG investigation. Nothing to blame on us, we are the victims in the fraud that got caught buying units that did not exist. So the budget was inaccurate from the beginning if they were including the additional units that did not exist. Sorry not paying for continued fraud and victimization. No one in their right mind would do that!! Joining the Zimmerman law suite.

For the record, I am not against the law suit or any other action against TMC suggested here.

I am trying to make it clear that The Manhattan Club is not being hurt or pressured by those not paying their dues because the ones that are paying, are paying their share for them. They just increase the bad debt allowance and the result is that everyone's annual dues to increase.

I am confused when you say TMC is not a Hotel, then why are they advertising on a different website I was on,and there was an ad to press this tab for info on the TMC there was a very professional ad with pictures of rooms ,the building,NYC,location, and what a great place to stay. $299 a night. If that is not a hotel then what is? You could say it is deeded time share that we own and a hotel for the public. So if the public books all these rooms and we are told,sorry booked up,then are we in the same position as before? How is TMC allowed to sell rooms to the Public?

hello bruce 162,

you ask a question that i have been waiting for someone to pose...............................

your quote/question: "I am confused when you say TMC is not a Hotel, then why are they advertising on a different website?(sic)..." the answer is that this is totally fraudulent and illegal. eichner began doing this well before any of his fraudulent activities were litigated (and a nonsensical SETTLEMENT was accepted by the former, inept new york state attorney general, eric schneiderman.) eichner, or whoever currently owns THE MANHATTAN CLUB TIMESHARE is continuing this sham practice. they will continue to advertise TMC OWNERS" time on websites like booking.com, hotels.com, tripadvisor.com, et al. allowing these websites to erroneously list TMC as a hotel for the purpose of double-dipping by collecting $3-to-500+ per night*****............TOTALLY ILLEGAL, until this practice is prohibited by court order.

the sales/purchasing offering of TMC was as advertised as a timeshare, owned by those who paid.......$20 to 50,000+ per DEEDED WEEK, the word DEEDED IS EMPHASIZED as proof of ownership of the use of the number of weeks purchased. TMC WAS ADVERTISED AND SOLD AS A TIMESHARE, AND THAT'S THE ENTITY THAT, IN FACT, IT IS. any other name for the type of property that the manhattan club is, remains erroneous and fraudulent. it is a TIMESHARE with all the rights and privileges that come with the purchaces made by all of us.

this is all the more reason (among many others) that owners of THE MANHATTAN CLUB TIMESHARE should be represented in court to claim our due process versus TMC/EICHNER/BLUEGREEN..........,,management/owner become muddied, probably purposely..........strong consideration should be made to protect our TIMESHARE RIGHTS AND INVESTMENT (in addition to restoring what we have lost via fraudulent activities directed by TMC developers and continued by the present management.) it is incumbent on all of us who value our rights and investment to participate in the lawsuit that is currently available. check a few pages back on redweek for further legal contact information.

(the only "hitch" regarding this issue of renting shares of TMC to the general public is that management has the right to own shares of TMC. that ownership gives them the right to rent their shares. the big HOWEVER is..................that they should not list their owned shares as HOTEL accommodations, but must show them as TIMESHARE rentals...........the essence of which they flagrantly disregard when advertised on hotel websites.)*****

bruce, i appreciate your query. i hope my response clearly explains to you and others with similar a puzzlement, what THE MANHATTAN CLUB IS and WHAT IT IS NOT, regardless of how it is incorrectly advertised (by management) on the hotel sites noted above. joining a viable lawsuit might help concerning your stated question and all other problems related to ownership of THE MANHATTAN CLUB TIMESHARE.

bruced162 wrote:

I am confused when you say TMC is not a Hotel, then why are they advertising on a different website I was on,and there was an ad to press this tab for info on the TMC there was a very professional ad with pictures of rooms ,the building,NYC,location, and what a great place to stay. $299 a night. If that is not a hotel then what is? You could say it is deeded time share that we own and a hotel for the public. So if the public books all these rooms and we are told,sorry booked up,then are we in the same position as before? How is TMC allowed to sell rooms to the Public?

Seems like it's both hotel & timeshare at once. When you enter building on 56th St the marquee reads "The Manhattan Club" , go around to the other entrance around the corner on 7th Ave that marquee reads " The Park Central Hotel".

hello gerard s23

your observation is true: THE MANHATTAN CLUB (timeshare) is on w 56 st; THE PARK CENTRAL HOTEL is on 7 ave. however, they are two SEPARATE entities owned by the same corporate operation. repeating: TMC is a TIMESHARE; THE PARK CENTRAL is a HOTEL.

if you own at TMC, you own usable time in a timeshare. how could anyone forget the infamous 2 floor sales offices full of lying puppets who were trained to mislead, lie and defraud anyone who entered their offices to purchase TMC TIMESHARE? you, like most other TMC purchasers, have a deeded right to use the number of weeks you purchased.....IF you're up-to-date with your exponentially exorbitant maintenance fees. as you can see, there are major differences between a TIMESHARE and a HOTEL (even if they share the same building structure; additionally HOTEL guests do not own anything but the night (s) they pay for, no deed involved.)

gerards23 wrote:

Seems like it's both hotel & timeshare at once. When you enter building on 56th St the marquee reads "The Manhattan Club" , go around to the other entrance around the corner on 7th Ave that marquee reads " The Park Central Hotel".

Exactly! That is understood. The problem is that the "Hotel" part of it is free to use the "Timeshare " part of it as it sees fit for their needs.

gerard,

i hope our minds meet, but perhaps not..........in this respect:

my understanding of your statement is that if either the timeshare or the hotel doesn't have a suitable accommodation, each can use the other's facilities to satisfy that situation. if that is so, the issue is incorrect, e.g., the hotel can't accommodate guests (if they have no rooms available) within the timeshare and vice versa. that i am aware of, that isn't done. have you heard of such an accommodation?

gerards23 wrote:

Exactly! That is understood. The problem is that the "Hotel" part of it is free to use the "Timeshare " part of it as it sees fit for their needs.

No. I don't actually know of that situation but suggesting it to be looked into. People seem to complain about lack of availability. Or is it the 14,000+ (mystery ??) Number of deeds oversold for 256 units covering 52 weeks a year???

gerard,

ok, now we're BEGINNING to work toward being on the same page. i assume you probably believe, as i DEFINITELY do, that the "number of deeds oversold for 256 units covering 52 weeks a year???" is true. eichner oversold theTMC timeshare weeks which is a major reason why reservations are so difficult to obtain. it would be naive of us to put this fraudulent act beyond eichner's devious deeds. he's screwed us all beyond belief, and he'll probably covertly, through his skeleton corporation (s), continue to do so unless we stop him through court proceedings. competent, legal assistance/representation is only $1,250 away. additionally, i also would not put it past him to allow an overbooked PARK CENTRAL HOTEL accommodation to be offered space in the TMC timeshare, but i have no tangible proof of that. perhaps that would be a question asked of eichner in court via the actions of our retained attorney.

gerards23 wrote:

No. I don't actually know of that situation but suggesting it to be looked into. People seem to complain about lack of availability. Or is it the 14,000+ (mystery ??) Number of deeds oversold for 256 units covering 52 weeks a year???

While there is a highly academic, mathematical ,logistical and interesting conversation currently taking place I sometimes have difficulty knowing in what is the underlying basis of comments. Would love to believe that Howard, Bruce, Gerard and the many others are in real support of the Z law suite or just chatting in the breeze. At this point we know the facts that we were all screwed by TMC and the AG. Isnt it time that we make like an old fashoned telethon and make Atty Zimmermans phone ring off the hook with new members of our legal action. Would be nice to see 100 new members join by this time and fill this forum with a simple note that they joined. Also would save a lot of time if each posting identified if they had joined. This site should be a organizing and communication network for moving the case foward now that we almost all agree we were screwed.

Hey Howard, Instead of worring about wether you are or not currently up to date on dues, your investment is currently in the toilet. If the suit is successful, I am sure some formula for compensation will be developed. I am also sure, if you are not in the suit you probably will get almost nothing... For the record, are you in the suit? If not why???

Sidney -

Sorry, but I am extremely concerned about people not paying their dues. Based on your comment, it appears that you may be one of them.

As noted previously, it is costing me and everyone else (not TMC) a lot of money. My maintenance fee is about $800 higher due to the bad debt allowance.

If the Zimmerman suit gets me reimbursed for that, and it is vague as to whether it will, I am all for it.

For the record, I stay at the TMC every year and have never had an issue getting the dates requested, though I recognize that this clearly is not the case for many others.

howard df62,

it appears that you might be missing major assumptions. i submit the following scenario for your thoughtful consideration.

TMC knows well in advance of those who do not pay maintenance fees. that said, do you believe that TMC wouldn't profit from that available time? they rent it out on hotel/vacation websites. now the question remains..................where do those non-owner accommodation fees go? they should go to make up the "slack" of those owners in MF arrears. that would be the way it SHOULD BE. under those circumstances MF payers, would not need to make up the difference to avoid bad debt allowance. that would be the honest and above-board way for management to do business. but no............they're lining their pockets, in effect, double-dipping, but not to the benefit of MF paying owners.

do you believe TMC/EICHNER/BLUEGREEN to be honest and above-board to use the non-owner accommodation fees to make up for the bad debt allowance? i have not noted one honest thing that this fraudulent group has done since the initial inception of TMC TIMESHARE in the late 20th century, before, during and after the sale to us unsuspecting, defrauded owners. "My maintenance fee is about $800 higher due to the bad debt allowance." not so. your exorbitant MF is due to avarice and greed on the part of ultra-wealthy developers who want to become ultra-ultra- wealty, not giving one good damn about you or other unfortunate TMC owners.

that is my take on the issue you present. correct me if my interpretations/expectations are inaccurate.

howardf62 wrote:

Sidney -

Sorry, but I am extremely concerned about people not paying their dues. Based on your comment, it appears that you may be one of them.

As noted previously, it is costing me and everyone else (not TMC) a lot of money. My maintenance fee is about $800 higher due to the bad debt allowance.

If the Zimmerman suit gets me reimbursed for that, and it is vague as to whether it will, I am all for it.

For the record, I stay at the TMC every year and have never had an issue getting the dates requested, though I recognize that this clearly is not the case for many others.

$6,000 for my timeshare offered by TMC. I was in New York Civil Court 4/10/19 regarding my Civil Suit filed last July for $25,000 against The Manhattan Club. The TMC lawyer offered me $6,000 to settle and they wanted me to sign a confidentiality agreement. I did not take the offer.

Irene Smalls

you are my new hero!!!

Irene, you are one smart lady! If TMC was willing to offer you $6,000, and not the $100 currently being offered, tells me that they know they’re in for a long battle. They really thought you would be thrilled to get so much more than what’s being offered and they could keep you quiet. You have helped us all by not taking the deal! I commend you!

wonderful Imagine if thousands of us stood up for our rights ????

Well done! Is Mr. Zimmerman aware of this litigation?

Definitely, our hero. Unfortunately tough for us who live out of state to pursue this.....keep fighting for what’s right...