The Manhattan Club

Manhattan Club Lawsuit

Sep 12, 2021

Hi Diane, If you have a points contract with TMC, it deposits your points into RCI every year. So if you cancel your TMC timeshare, I assume they will not deposit any points into RCI, so you will not be able to book an RCI vacation.


Lena P.
Sep 12, 2021

Ah, of course. Thank you.


Diane B.
Sep 13, 2021

FYI, when I quit paying maintenance fees years ago, and paid the RCI account fee's I continued to use RCI points and could do so even after I sold back my unit to TMC.I continued to use them until I lost interest in RCI locations resort fee's.


Roger S.
Sep 13, 2021

I was hoping I could use the points I had already accumulated and I just tripped . But when I saw my maintenance fee it was higher by far than what it would cost at another hotel ( even at the Omni) that did me in. I've only been an owner since 2013 and the maintenance went up by half. Most ridiculous financial decision I ever made. I do have fun when I stay there but enough is enough.


Diane B.
Sep 30, 2021

I'm an Owner. Fee 3274.00. Too much! Widowed and don't go anymore. Also do not want to give it away. Sad.


Roberta H.

Last edited by phyl21 on Sep 30, 2021 08:06 PM

Sep 30, 2021

What is going on with the Zimmerman lawsuit? I am going to give it strong consideration.


William M.
Oct 01, 2021

Does anyone know if this decision is tied to the Zimmerman lawsuit?

Manhattan Club Investors Lose Lawsuit Against Ian Bruce Eichner

https://therealdeal.com/2021/09/30/big-win-for-ian-bruce-eichner-in-legal-war-with-manhattan-club-timeshare-investors/


Ben D.
Oct 01, 2021

My question exactly.


William M.
Oct 01, 2021

Good Morning


Kevin O.

Last edited by kevin631 on Oct 04, 2021 02:59 AM

Oct 02, 2021

I totally agree - we as owners are screwed again. Yes, I believe this is the Zimmerman lawsuit. So who is buying the timeshares back - seems it's the developer Eichner. So does he now have the weeks back and can rent them and make even more money!! Does he still get the huge management fee? Corruption at the top.


Gail J.
Oct 02, 2021

Could someone with the Zimmerman group give us a update report if this Federal court loss is their suit and what is next.


George S.
Oct 03, 2021

Yes, that is the Zimmerman lawsuit as the article states that the new lawsuit took place in 2020 and involved over 200 timeshare investors. This ruling basically kills any chance of us ever getting our money back and now all we have left is selling back our shares for $100 or continue to pay absurdly high maintenance fees for a rundown property. Game over. American Corporate greed and corruption at its finest.


Alvaro L.

Last edited by alvarol2 on Oct 03, 2021 11:22 AM

Oct 03, 2021

Not so fast. Received a text from Zimmerman this morning that read :” We did not lose the case. I’ll be emailing and posting a detailed update later today. Thanks.”


Gary P.
Oct 03, 2021

Is Zimmerman still working on our cases; we haven't heard anything from him in a long time!


Linda J.
Oct 03, 2021

I heard from Attorney Zimmerman today and he says the Judge dismissed our case WITHOUT prejudice which means we can amend the petition and seek further redress. So, basically he is saying that "it ain't over till the fat lady sings". I have not read the email from his office but will. I'm sure others in this group who were part of the lawsuit have been notified too. So -we'll see if another course of action is recommended.


Gail J.
Oct 03, 2021

Mr Z asked me to post this. Sunday 10/3/21

TMC Case Update

This past week, U.S. District Court Judge Woods dismissed the complaint we filed against the Eichners and BlueGreen defendants WITHOUT PREJUDICE meaning that it can be amended and refiled in federal court, which we will do.

In dismissing the complaint, Judge Woods did not rule on the substantive merits of any of our allegations, but rather ruled solely on the very narrow, procedural basis that we supposedly failed to plead the allegations of a pattern of fraud and damages suffered by each plaintiff with sufficient detail to give rise to a justiciable federal RICO claim that would provide a basis for federal court jurisdiction. Since all of the other claims asserted in our complaint, e.g., breach of contract, fraud, etc., were based on state law which can be litigated in New York State court, no basis exists for federal jurisdiction over our suit absent a justiciable RICO claim. Judge Woods did not consider any of our state claims.

With respect to the federal RICO claim, Judge Woods ruled that the references to and incorporation in our complaint of the admissions made by the Eichner defendants in the Assurance of Discontinuance (“AOD”) of the wrongful actions they committed against the plaintiffs and other TMC members were insufficient to provide a basis for federal court jurisdiction, and that instead we had to detail the individual allegations of fraud and damages suffered by each plaintiff with specificity, even though these are largely the same for all plaintiffs.

We respectfully disagree with Judge Wood’s ruling and believe that the allegations in the complaint were sufficiently pled to sustain a federal RICO claim, detailing both the nature of the criminal enterprise and the specific frauds that establish the pattern of the defendants’ racketeering activity. TMC, T Park, O. Park, etc., are pawns of the Eichners, and the AOD admits the criminality of the defendants’ RICO “enterprise”.

Our pleading did not detail the individual frauds suffered by each plaintiff because (a) there is legal precedent that permits “group pleading” in RICO allegations where, as in this case, the frauds suffered by the members of the group are common in design and execution, and (b) the AOD admitted the existence and nature of the frauds the defendants committed.

The complaint did more than “dress up state claims for common law fraud and breach of contract as violations of [federal] civil RICO statute” as Judge Woods claims, but rather detailed a pattern of frauds committed in interstate commerce that affected over 14,000 timeshare purchasers and is exactly the kind of case that the federal RICO statute was designed to address. The statute was an attempt by Congress to provide federal jurisdiction over massive patterns of fraudulent activity, including those predicated on underlying violations of state law as in our case.

The dismissal WITHOUT PREJUDICE allows us to continue to pursue this case, and to submit a much lengthier amended complaint that provides the recitation of details Judge Woods has requested. Finally, claims by the real estate industry press such as the Real Deal that Judge Woods decided the substantive merits of this case in favor of Ian Bruce Eicher and his cronies misrepresents the court's ruling. All Judge Woods decided is that he did not want this matter on his docket.

Jean-Marc Zimmerman Zimmerman Law Group 233 Watchung Fork Westfield, NJ 07090 E: jmz@zimllp.com

Steven M. Hoffberg Hoffberg & Associates 29 Buckout Road West Harrison, NY 10604 E: steve@hoffberglaw.com


Sue O.
Oct 04, 2021

So, how does one go about initiating a buyback by the TMC?

Jim


Jim S.
Oct 04, 2021

Quit paying your fees and hope they offer you the buyback.

Unbelievable that owners have been seeking justice for over 7 years now. And Eichner keeps going on his merry way.

We have a legal system which favors the very wealthy. It’s not about justice.

jims1369 wrote:
So, how does one go about initiating a buyback by the TMC?

Jim


Dks
Oct 05, 2021

Easy, folks. As I read Attorney Zimmerman’s report, this was basically a “procedural” dismissal and has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of the case. He plans to amend the complaint which should pass muster next time around.


Dick H.
Oct 05, 2021

I quit paying the fees this year. What is the usual amount of time until they offer a buyout, if that is what its called? Also since the court action was a procedural dismissal, what is the usual amount of time until the "next time around"? As is obvious, I am sure, I am running short of patience. What else is new?


Jim S.

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