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The "secret scheme"..... (by Marty F):
warrenj13 wrote:mike1536 wrote:warrenf19 wrote:======== The way I understand it, you are taking the deed and knowingly NOT paying the MF, assessments, etc. You can't convince me that is not fraud and unethical. It's no worse than going into a restaurant, ordering dinner, then walking out without paying because the bill was too high. For every MF and SA that someone is not paying, the rest of the owners have to make up.mike1536 wrote:ken1193 wrote:============ Ken, have you noticed this guy(?) has used three different ids... warrenf17, warrenf18, and now warrenf4? If warren (insert your favorite # here) that his technique is "legal", it is surely unethical (but it appears ethics is not a top priority to him). Anyone who buys a product and takes on a debt knowing he's NOT going to pay it off, is committing fraud. Others in this same category are: People who run up credit card debt, then whine to the CC company to get their bill reduced. AND people who jumped into a sub-prime mortgage to buy a bigger house and now want the gov't to bail them out.warrenf4 wrote:================================================carvana wrote:warrenf18 wrote:several companies take them for a small fee, their are ways to never have to pay any MF on them, though you will not be able to ever sell, rent or use them ever again. It is all legal and is a huge secret to those who know how to do it and I am one of them. I charge $300.00 to do it.So I would say Webuytimeshares.com is a legitimate way to get rid of your timeshare, cost is slightly more, but reasonable.
The companies selling units on ebay are not selling the units that I or others take using the methods I use. you can not pay of back MF as I take them in thousands of dollars in debt. Places that want everything paid up to date are trying to cash in on a quick sale on the other end. Look harder if they want that as their are those doing it cheaper who do not spend a lot on advertising, that are willing to help.
Warren,
With due respect, I find your comments incoherent.
What do you mean when you imply that your company takes timeshares for a small fee of $300? Does this mean you buy the timeshare with title being transferred and recorded in deed records together with notification of resort so their records are changed? If you do in fact purchase the timeshare, your comment that "you will not be able to ever sell, rent or use them" is meaningless since it is obvious that once it is sold the prior owner can no longer use the property.
If the transaction does not involve a change of ownership, what is covered by the $300 fee?
You say that "Webuytimeshares.com" is "legitimate". I suppose you mean legitimate. How do you know? Have you done business with them?
What do you mean by "can not pay of back MF as I take them in thousands of dollars in debt"? That doesn't make sense. Do you mean you buy timeshares with unpaid MF in excess of thousands of dollars? If so, do you record the deed in your name and notify the resort that you are now the owner?
Why would someone who sold a timeshare to you care what you subsequently paid for advertising to sell the unit. Your comment, "look harder if they want that as their (sic) are those doing it cheaper who do not spend a lot on advertising, that are willing to help" doesn't make sense if you as you suggest "take them" -ownership - "for a small fee".
It may be "all legal and is a huge secret" as you suggest but I suspect what you do is another up front fee operation with title remaining in seller's name.
Carvana
OK here it is in simple terms..
How it works is I buy the timeshares for $1.00. I will buy a timeshare that some one owes past due maintenance fees, sometimes 2 or 3 years worth. I assume all responsibility for them. I have a new deed made and recorded with me as the buyer and new owner. I send a copy to the resort demanding them to send all correspondence to me along with any past due bills along with all future bills. I charge $300.00 for this service. This is the only fee the old owner will ever have to pay. He does not have to pay any transfer fees, back fees, he pays nothing else.
Now naturally I am not going to pay of past debts, transfer fees or any other fee, nor is the resort going to allow me to use it and no one will ever buy it from me with all the debt attached.
I never pay nor will I ever have to as I do this through a very complex business design, that allows me to prevent the resorts from ever being able to collect from me. Now the seller will also get a copy of deed showing transfer of ownership and the assumption of all past due fees associated with the transfer of ownership. With this, the old owner gets to walk as well. The resorts can not touch him or her as well. The hole system screws the resorts from being able to collect any funds ever again from anyone. Every thing I do is done openly through ebay contracts with payments from paypal, where the sellers are fully protected from any type of fraud.
I'm not going to flatter your "hide the ownership" scheme with a response, but I'all nonetheless make two specific recommendations from which you would greatly benefit:
1. A class or two in English grammar and spelling.
2. Law school (although your admission is unlikely).
Yes and here is a new account as well. They keep blocking my account from being able to answer peoples questions. You might not like the ethics of what I do, how ever what I do is legal and very helpful to those wanting out of timeshare ownership. The people I help can not afford their fees, or are left with a very poor choice of which bills to pay and the resort is last on that list. How ethical is it for a resort to decide to remodel and send everyone a $3000.00 special assessment, little secret, the resort never sold off the entire year and they hold the voting interest to do and charge what ever they want. If they can take your house they will. They will not take back any of their units period. If you declare bankruptcy, they will forgive you the debt in most cases, allowing you to keep your unit so they can bill you for the upcoming years. Now is it ethical of Redweek to keep blocking and deleting my messages, while I am openly discussing something on the topic. I will agree that it is horrible that their are so many vultures out their who will prey on the desperate. They charge 2 or more thousand. I also question Redweeks ethics to charge $50.00 to post a for sale add and then not allow that person the maximum benefit from their add. Not many are going to pay $10.00 to answer it, with all the other free places.
I am open to real dialog, it seems you want to ridicule legitimate companies and not allow them in the forum to defend themselves.
What is wrong with my comments. Instead of just deleting them why don't you state why. It is very easy to make a new account an make comments. I wish you would allow them as people are interested, or is it that Redweek is only out to make a buck and could care less about what people wish to discuss. Truely if you can sell a timeshare for anything great. I am only available to help those who can not sell them at any price, which I believe is very close to most timeshares out there.
I restate what was deleted. I work very close to a lot of resorts. I get them to wash the debt of and they resell them to some one again who will be happy with them.
Why do they not take their units back from just anyone, well it runs about 30 to 75% depending on resorts that people would just give back their us and walk away if they could.
Warren, the reason your posts are being deleted is that they are promoting your business. If you read the Note above every posting box it says not to post ads for your business. Since you continue to do this your posting abilities are and will continue to be disallowed. You are free to post as long as it does not pertain to promoting your business.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Marty