Can't even give them one star

ericb259 wrote:

I believe this may be a violation of federal law. It is certainly worth a check.

I meant this a response to kathyp241, regarding harassing your family, but my email program does not hignlight the message I am responding to.

I have done a lot of research on the idea that they may be violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, but it appears that Club Land'or does their own collections? and therefore may be exempt from the rules. It is a gray area check it out http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf

By the way, the survey I have been sending people was signed in 1986 when I bought my second contract (40yr floating red). It may help to show that there was an understanding of what certain things meant at the time you signed the coontract. Please note that the survey sprecically exempts me from paying utilities (energy surcharge?). Should be fun in court.

marym879: got the same BS in a letter from them kathyp241: don't give up on court, particularly if it is a collection agency. You would be surprised how often they show up without the contract, assuming you will not be there. A key thing to point out is that there has been no justificatioj for any of these charges. Technically, Land'Or could send you a bill for $1,000,000 and you would have to pay?

kathyp241 wrote:

I understand how you feel, but Club LandOr will get their money. We tried to sell through people who sell timeshares for you, well that was another 500.00 wasted, still trying to sell after 5 yrs of paying this company, we give up!!!!!!! We are just going to file it understand "the stupidest things we have done in our lives" thank god it's not a deeded property

I don't know if it is the stupidest thing we have done - but certainly is the one that makes me have very sinful thoughts! I wonder....if they go bankrupt - do we get out of this deal? It just burns me that this could have been such a wonderful opportunity, but for the greed and stupidity of the Holts. We have made friends because of this property and do like that - so I guess just go there, use up our weeks and sit around the pool complaining and discouraging other people from making the same move we did. I am retiring soon and have five weeks of "bonus" weeks - hmmm, maybe I could volunteer for a job of trying to get some things done around there - happy hour around the pool - ice cream machine - karokie night - spaghetti night at the bar - so many things to restore it toi the fun nights we used to have. Wishful thinking, huh

Thanks. Just filed my complaint with BBB.

Careful of the towels, my husband said he's going there to wipe his ass with the towels. Lol

kathyp241 wrote:

Careful of the towels, my husband said he's going there to wipe his ass with the towels. Lol

Love it!!!!!:)

For those of you now resisting the Energy Surcharge/Holdover Fee.

First, there is the matter of a “holdover”. Since is it not defined differently in the lease, it is understood in rental law to be a lessee who stays beyond his right of possession. There is no way to be charged this ahead of time--only if you overstay your week.

As for the “energy surcharge”, as this has always, since the beginning of my lease, been paid by the occupant at the time of occupancy. Since that was true for almost everyone of you, and agreement on terms AT THE TIME THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED is controlling, the meaning of energy surcharge cannot be arbitrarily changed.

Hope this helps.

Trying to summarize possible legal issues read and prompted by others. Feel free to add or correct:

Timeshare law in Virginia - weak? Contract Law- breach of contract? Lease/rental laws Meaning of "Special Assessment" and other charges at time lease contract was signed Mail fraud?- billing for items outside of the contract and lease/rental laws? IRS issues? Misappropriation of funds?- note artical in The Nassau Guardian; Payment for maintainance/improvement such as installation of elevator without using funds paid for such? Arbitary charges?

Can you please send me a copy of the Club Land Or questionaire?

amcguire@ksbusa.com

Any word on a class action suit. I would like to be part of that. Please call or email me. 804 212 6532. the_stadlers@yahoo.com

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I would appreciate it if you sent me a copy of that questionnaire. These "special assessment fees" are just the last straw. I am tired of this company and it is time to get out from under their thumb.

amalthea@att.net

And any additional information you have would be appreciated.

micheller390 wrote:

I would appreciate it if you sent me a copy of that questionnaire. These "special assessment fees" are just the last straw. I am tired of this company and it is time to get out from under their thumb.

amalthea@att.net

And any additional information you have would be appreciated.

Did you get a recent special assessment? I am going to court Nov 14 because I have not paid for 3 years, so maybe that is why I am not getting any mail. Are you Club Land'or Nassau or Colonial Crossings? my e-mail is christinelolsen@hotmail.com

I know a lot of you (and me) wish there was a class action suit, but the truth is there is not enough money in it for attorneys that do that for a living. They are looking for millions for themselves (very little for the "wronged").

i understand that it is difficut to get a class action suit in Virginia, but has anyone thought about pursuing this in the Bahamas? I have heard that the Bahamas have Laws that govern foreign companies and any fraud and exploitation of tourist would be of serious concern, as tourism is the main industry. How about a group of us plan a date to meet in the Bahamas and request a press conferencce with the Nassau Guardian and Tribune news paper. We can also meet with the Ministry of Tourism who I understand regulate the timeshare industry and have certain laws to protect foreign timeshare owners. let's turn up the heat on these crooks.

jessiej15 wrote:

i understand that it is difficut to get a class action suit in Virginia, but has anyone thought about pursuing this in the Bahamas? I have heard that the Bahamas have Laws that govern foreign companies and any fraud and exploitation of tourist would be of serious concern, as tourism is the main industry. How about a group of us plan a date to meet in the Bahamas and request a press conferencce with the Nassau Guardian and Tribune news paper. We can also meet with the Ministry of Tourism who I understand regulate the timeshare industry and have certain laws to protect foreign timeshare owners. let's turn up the heat on these crooks.

NOW THAT SOUNDS JUST FUN!!! Just an FYI for everyone who has not yet filed a grievance with the BBB. Do it now! I did and I got a response within a week. BBB contacted Land'or but because Land'or has filed a suit against me and I am already going to trial Nov 14, the BBB cannot help me resolve my complaint. I do believe it I would have done this before June, when I was basically served, I would have at least had someone to bat for me. I encourage everyone to go to the BBB webist and take the time to make a complaint!!! christinelolsen@hotmail.com

Pls. give detailed information re: BBB. Is that in Va. or Bahamas?

We would very much like to pursue the Bahamas Tourist route. We have the time and resources to do so. We would rather spend our money getting these people out of business than sending them money! Please advise if you plan to do this and we will join you in the effort. We have owned since 1985 and have watched this deteriation since then. It is time for action. We have written consant letters and they do not respond to anything.

bernadettea17 wrote:

Pls. give detailed information re: BBB. Is that in Va. or Bahamas?

BBB Serving Central Virginia, Inc. (Richmond, VA) 720 Moorefield Park Drive, Suite 300 Richmond, VA 23236 Phone: 804.648.0016 Fax: 804.320.0248 Email: info@richmond.bbb.org Web: www.richmond.bbb.org

i contacted BBB back in 2/2011(page 15) I do not recall getting a response. I guess I will resubmit.