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Anyone heard of Super Timeshare Resales?
elaines150 wrote:Thank you Ken for alerting us of Wyndham's new policy. I quote this to get rid of the unsolicited phone calls from others, who claim they can sell my timeshare for a price or points. They are quick to end the call.This information wasn't readily available to me from my correspondence with Wyndham. News letters or policies received. So, thank you for this information.
You are entirely welcome. To avoid any potential confusion or misunderstanding on this topic, however, some further specific clarification might be in order here:
A Wyndham owner CAN always (before, now and any time in the future) re-sell their ENTIRE deeded Wyndham OWNERSHIP to someone else. This is true whether the ownership is Wyndham UDI points only, a fixed Wyndham week, or a fixed Wyndham week which was later converted to Fairshare Plus Points (recently "rebranded" to now be called Club Wyndham Plus Points instead).
What a Wyndham owner CANNOT do (as of March 19, 2009) is give (or receive, or rent, or transfer) any Wyndham POINTS ALONE to or from another Wyndham owner (or to anyone else, for that matter), while still retaining the underlying deeded Wyndham ownership.
The point and purpose of this policy change by Wyndham was fairly obvious and was clearly imposed for Wyndham's own financial benefit --- if an existing Wyndham owner needs or wants more points in any given year, the one and ONLY place they can obtain them (after 3/19/09) is to acquire them (at significant cost) DIRECTLY FROM WYNDHAM. Period, amen.
This policy change certainly did NOT (and does not now) prohibit a Wyndham owner from selling (or giving) their entire deeded Wyndham OWNERSHIP to someone else, however. Wyndham charges $125 for acknowledging and noting the ownerhip change in their records (this cost is in addition to any third party closing company costs incurred for new deed preparation and recording between seller and buyer).
The above info might well be understood already, but I thought I'd reinforce and further clarify pertinent details anyhow, in order to help avert any misunderstanding or potential misinterpretation.
Unfortunately, the bottom line for those who parted with their Wyndham points to someone else (while still retaining the underlying deeded Wyndham ownership itself) before March 19, 2009, is that regardless of the particular circumstances, Wyndham is highly unlikely to allow "recovery" or "re-transfer"of points after the 3/19/09 system-wide policy change. Regardless of any consideration of legal action, any and all such points are now likely (and sadly) just plain GONE forever. It seems to me that the only legal recourse for those unfortunate instances of "loss" would be to find and formally charge in court the recipient entities with theft or criminal fraud. Unfortunately, this is certainly far more easily said than done since these types of scammers move around frequently, operate out of mail drop addresses and / or P.O. Boxes, use "relayed" phone numbers, and are tough to identify (or locate, or serve with court papers). Chances are also good that multiple states (and court jurisdictions) are involved, making EVERYTHING more difficult. Sadly, the prospects of success in loss recovery OR prosecution at this point are likely somewhere between slim and none...
KC
Last edited by ken1193 on Jan 06, 2010 10:56 AM
Super Timeshare Resales is out of business and they basically stole your money. When you gave them your 2 years worth of points, they were immediately sold and they kept the money. Let's face it, even if someone did want to make an offer on your timeshare, they wouldn't have access to it for up to 2 years. They took your money and laughed all the way to the bank. The owner of the company and one of the masterminds of this fraud is Sean Swafford. The other principles involved are :
James Lyman - After the dissolution of Super Timeshare Resales, Mr. Lyman decided to start a new company called: SELL MY TIME SHARE POINTS INC. 37911 Springdale Rd Zephyrhills, FL 33540-7329 (813) 779-0372 Website: www.sellmytimesharepoints.com
Victor Valdez - Started his own company called: Timeshare Clearinghouse LLC 5700 Memorial Hwy Ste 108 Tampa, FL 33615-5200 (813) 885-7600 (813) 885-5762 Website: www.byownerresorts.com
Hope this info helps some of the people that were scammed by this company. If I can be of any more help, please let me know.
Robert S.
Last edited by marty8084 on Feb 29, 2012 03:15 PM
I paid these people $500 May 2009 to advertise my time share at Welk Resorts in CA. They assured me that it could be sold in 6 months, and if not, then they would extend for 6 additional months at their cost. (Originally they asked me for $945. But I negotiated to pay half up front and the other half upon sale.) During the first 6 months I saw my unit listed on their website. But nothing else. I called several times and finally talked to Shawn, who assured me that in addition, they were "promoting" my unit. He told me in September they were doing a special campaign related to Welk Resorts. I asked to see a report or copies of any ads they put our to advertise my property. but he said they did not send out any reports until there was a prospect. He told me if I did not hear from them, I should keep calling back to check. Of course, I never received anything. Recently, I tried calling again, but discovered the phones disconnected. I started to file a complaint with the Florida AG, when I discovered your website. I will add your info to my complaint. Thanks. Annette Smith
Annette R.
annetter60 wrote:I paid these people $500 May 2009 to advertise my time share at Welk Resorts in CA. They assured me that it could be sold in 6 months, and if not, then they would extend for 6 additional months at their cost. (Originally they asked me for $945. But I negotiated to pay half up front and the other half upon sale.) During the first 6 months I saw my unit listed on their website. But nothing else. I called several times and finally talked to Shawn, who assured me that in addition, they were "promoting" my unit. He told me in September they were doing a special campaign related to Welk Resorts. I asked to see a report or copies of any ads they put our to advertise my property. but he said they did not send out any reports until there was a prospect. He told me if I did not hear from them, I should keep calling back to check. Of course, I never received anything. Recently, I tried calling again, but discovered the phones disconnected. I started to file a complaint with the Florida AG, when I discovered your website. I will add your info to my complaint. Thanks. Annette Smith
Hopefully, they closed shop with all the lawsuits now against upfront fee resale companies that scam people right and left. The only way to shut them ALL down is to file a complaint with the AGs and/or start a class action lawsuit .... see my thread on that subject.
R P.
We gave our points to Victor Valdez over a year ago and nothing has happened. Since there are so many Wyndham owners that have been the victim of this fraud, I would like people to come forward so we can file a "class action" lawsuit together. I have contacted Wyndham for help in this matter. I plan to file a complaint with the Florida AG to see if they will investigate this company. If they receive numerous complaints, it will force them to take action,
Kathy R.
kathyr251 wrote:While I understand and empathize with your frustration, I must respectfully disagree with your conclusion above regarding "forced" action. Moreover, you can't (effectively, anyhow) file a class action suit against a business entity which no longer even exists. You could (after spending lots of time and money) perhaps win an empty and meaningless civil "judgement" against the entity, but you won't ever actually see a dime from ANY no-longer-existing LLC.We gave our points to Victor Valdez over a year ago and nothing has happened. Since there are so many Wyndham owners that have been the victim of this fraud, I would like people to come forward so we can file a "class action" lawsuit together. I have contacted Wyndham for help in this matter. I plan to file a complaint with the Florida AG to see if they will investigate this company. If they receive numerous complaints, it will force them to take action,
If the LLC is now defunct and the principals "in the wind", with current locations (and perhaps even their real identities) unknown and unconfirmed, it will take a whole lot more than just a flurry of belated complaints to elicit ANY interest or action from an AG office.
While I honestly believe that you are just "tilting at windmills" at this late juncture, I nonetheless fully understand that you still want to do SOMETHING. I sincerely wish you luck and success in the endeavor, but I wouldn't (and I don't) recommend getting your hopes up too high...
KC
Last edited by ken1193 on May 26, 2010 06:38 AM
I filed a complaint with the Fl AG, providing the information given here about these individuals. I recently received a response stating that since the business was closed, there was no action they would take at this time..but would keep my information on file. At least it is on the record, and I think it would be important for the office to receive other complaints about them. Perhaps it will cause problems for them individually when they go into other ventures.
Annette R.
Ken, Thank You For Your Input and Interest. I transferred my points to "Timeshare Clearing House LLC" which is an "active business entity." I plan to do what I can as I really dislike "Injustices"! "Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead.
Kathy R.
Hi Margaret, I would be interested in helping you out with your lawsuit. The name of the company I worked with was Called Super TimeShare Resales Inc. I don't see how my experience could help you with your suit against Timeshare Clearing house. Let me know how I can help.
Elaine S.
Margaret Mead's inspiring words were quoted, but fyi the post itself was actually made by kathyr. The noted anthropologist Margaret Mead actually died back in the late 1970's.
It seems (at least from my interpretation) that kathyr intends to pursue action against Mr. Valdez' LLC (called Timeshare Clearing House), which she believes to still be an active business enterprise. I sincerely hope that she persists (and prevails) in that endeavor.
However, YOUR entity of thieving bandits (Super Timeshare Resales) is now (...much like Margaret Mead) already long dead and long gone. Accordingly, you can't (effectively, anyhow) sue an entity that no longer even exists, nor can you possibly elicit interest from any investigators and / or prosecutors regarding an entity which is no longer actually even in existence.
Don't shoot the messenger. I AM on your side and I certainly support you, but need to point out that "the facts are still the facts"...
KC
Last edited by ken1193 on May 27, 2010 01:28 PM
kathyr251 wrote:I hope that, while waiting to "see what happens", you are also preparing a detailed, chronologiocal, written accounting of events to submit to the Florida AG's office in the event that this "promise" on the phone proves to be just empty background noise. I certainly also hope that a date-specific performance deadline was discussed and identified, so that all parties involved are very clear on their respective expectations.I spoke with VV on the phone today to verify he is acutally still in business. He promised to actively pursue the sale of my timeshare so we will see what happens.
If you're going to effectively "hit" this entity with a legal action, you would be well advised to be ready and willing to do so while the entity is still actually in business. Unfortunately, these types of outfits often change business names, players and locations quite frequently.
KC
Last edited by ken1193 on May 28, 2010 10:56 AM
kathyr251 wrote:Thank you for your interest. I deeply appreciate your offer to help. I spoke with VV on the phone today to verify he is acutally still in business. He promised to actively pursue the sale of my timeshare so we will see what happens. Kathyr
If they asked for a large upfront fee, then they are scams, period .... all large upfront fee resale companies are scams.
R P.
There are countless ads that do not work in this world.When you put a timeshare company to work for you your semply paying someone else to get the word out there.We tried im sorry to let you people down not all ads sell.I am willing to pay $2500 per million points on a rental basis no money out of pocket just recieving the cash for the rental dont let your points go to waist do something with them!!
Sean S.