Has anyone dealt with Pacific Transfer inc. or selltimeshare.org ?

Posted a comment on 2-28. Lets get angry and do what we can to get these guys out of business and prosecuted for fraud. Call me if you want 303-913-1665. I'm angry. They have until next Thursday to refund my money. After that ,I will make it my my mission to put them out of business.

It took almost two years, a letter to the BBB in S. California, and a letter to the Attorney General of California to get my timeshare donation settled. This is a really, really bad company. They operate using way too many names. Go for it...put them out of business...if you can! Getting your money back is a long shot. Doubt it will happen. Hound them via the two methods I mentioned and something should happen. They have an unbelievable turn over in employees, also!!

mariy5 wrote:

Posted a comment on 2-28. Lets get angry and do what we can to get these guys out of business and prosecuted for fraud. Call me if you want 303-913-1665. I'm angry. They have until next Thursday to refund my money. After that ,I will make it my my mission to put them out of business.

Sorry to hear you were a victim of their scam. If you read back on previous pages I've posted more detailed information about these companies. The office itself isn't that big, because it's actually just a mail service, and I imagine each company is only operated by the same few people. They all fall under the David & Cindy MacMillan empire. The MO Attorney General was the most recent government entity to take action against them last time I checked, but if you check with the FTC you'll see that California, Connecticut and Florida have all taken actions against them as well (including on-going investigations).

People overlook the power of the Department of Real Estate when it comes to these matters. I recommend you file with the DRE in California as well as the Attorney General in California and your state as well.

Thank you for this information. I have the paperwork and am ready to file my claim with the AG for both California and Connecticut.

I will now check with the FTC as you recommend and hopefully, something can be done about this scam.

jordanv6 wrote:

mariy5 wrote:

Posted a comment on 2-28. Lets get angry and do what we can to get these guys out of business and prosecuted for fraud. Call me if you want 303-913-1665. I'm angry. They have until next Thursday to refund my money. After that ,I will make it my my mission to put them out of business.

Sorry to hear you were a victim of their scam. If you read back on previous pages I've posted more detailed information about these companies. The office itself isn't that big, because it's actually just a mail service, and I imagine each company is only operated by the same few people. They all fall under the David & Cindy MacMillan empire. The MO Attorney General was the most recent government entity to take action against them last time I checked, but if you check with the FTC you'll see that California, Connecticut and Florida have all taken actions against them as well (including on-going investigations).

People overlook the power of the Department of Real Estate when it comes to these matters. I recommend you file with the DRE in California as well as the Attorney General in California and your state as well.

YES. I've been waiting about 6 months now for them to fix the fees due on the property they transferred into our name. They said they don't ever transfer with anything owed. WRONG I get 10 calls a day from Wyndham for maintenance fees owed. I also got told we own in SC and was sent a deed but Wyndhan has us in MO and a deed recorded there which we didn't sign. I am now contacting our news to see where to go and how to handle this and what can be done.

Can anyone give me addresses, phone #'s, and your #'s to call so I know how to go about getting results and I can use my timeshare again. My e-mail is marstowar@yahoo.com. If you give me your # I will call you.

Call me 303-913-1665. If I don't answer, leave a message. I never hear my cell phone but I will call you back.

What kind of actions does the AG of these states take. Obviously, it's not too harsh since they are still out there.

mariy5 wrote:

What kind of actions does the AG of these states take. Obviously, it's not too harsh since they are still out there.

It's not so much that the actions aren't too harsh. There have been news reports of many upfront fee scam operations being shut down and the perpetrators imprisoned.

The problem is that there are so many operations that it's hard for the authorities to keep up. I guess that can be said about a lot of illegal activities.

lancec13 wrote:

mariy5 wrote:

What kind of actions does the AG of these states take. Obviously, it's not too harsh since they are still out there.

It's not so much that the actions aren't too harsh. There have been news reports of many upfront fee scam operations being shut down and the perpetrators imprisoned.

The problem is that there are so many operations that it's hard for the authorities to keep up. I guess that can be said about a lot of illegal activities.

It's a combination of both. Timeshare resale fraud as well as many other scams often times result in large fines, but no jail time. But if someone has stolen $10 million it's not that big of a deal to pay $500,000. It's really only the people who steal large sums of money very quickly (hundreds of millions even) that suffer "real" consequences, and it's usually wire and/or mail fraud that sends them away. But for the most part it's a slap on the wrist, the judge says, "Don't do it again!" and the offenders promise they won't and either run the same scam again under a different name or move on to a different scam like work at home business or debt consolidation.

Multiple companies have been on the news over the last few years, and it shows people going to prison, but for every one of those companies there are a few dozen more that do the same thing, get caught, and don't suffer what most of us would consider justifiable consequences.

I signed with this company to transfer ownership of my time share, mainly so I did not have to keep paying the maintenance fees every year, as I have not been able to use it for a few years. I paid $4,000.00 to Pacific Transfer in January 2013. They said I did not have to pay any more Maintenance fees, only the 2013 taxes. To this date Feb, 2015 I have had to continue paying maintenance fees and taxes. When called, they do not answer and if you leave a message they never return the call. An attorney suggested I call for 15 working days in a row a leave a message. I did and they never called me back. THIS IS A TRUE SCAM.

I contacted by mail the State of California Attorney General. I sent them a cover letter explaining my experience with Pacific Transfer and enclosed a copy of all the documents signed at the January 2013 meeting with them.

I received a reply from the Attorney General. I was informed that they were very interested in this case, but could not represent me as an individual. They would only investigate if they receive letters of complaint from other people who have been victims of this problem with this company. They said they would keep my letter on file as reference.

I encourage more people to file complaints, hopefully, we can have justice served, and at least get our money back.

Julieta

Here is the information as to where to send your letter of complaint:

State of California DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE Kamala D. Harris Attorney General P.O. Box 944255 Sacramento, California 94244-2550

alicem129 wrote:

SAME THING IS HAPPENING TO ME. I EMAIL A COMPLAINT WITH BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU IN CALIFORNIA ON PACIFIC TRANSFER.

marthaj49 wrote:

I am currently dealing with Pacific Transfer over the same issue (they want me to pay 2013 mainenance fee before completed the purchase/transfer of my timeshare). Could you share the results of your problem with them on this issue?

The Federal Trade Commission has a unit that deals exclusively with timeshare fraud. Their phone number is 1-877-382-4357.

Your message below is spot on! My story is exactly the same as everyone else's. I too am still paying a $1,366.00 maintenance fee (includes membership fee as well) after two years. Raintree knows about Pacific Property Transfer's "game" and warns about not paying in advance for any service like PPT's within Raintree's website. I remember distinctly being shouted at by a PPT sales rep when I asked about their need to be paid up front for a service that "was too good to be true" (their own words). Apparently I had hit a nerve, so the sales rep actually shouted at me and said I was free to get up and walk out if I wanted to. Too bad I didn't. I'd be more than happy to be part of a ground swell that tips over PPT's "boat" and sinks it for good. Is a class action law suit something we all should be looking into? I will also be writing the Attorney General (not the BBB as they have nothing to do but give thumbs up or down on business behavior). Has anyone had experience in doing the AG thing already? And if so, which documents will the AG be asking for?

CraigSF

howards184 wrote:

I tell you what, if you get results thru the Calif. AG, let me know and I'll go there with ya. This is total BS for a business being run like that.

I've read all of the other post, and with very few exceptions it seems like we all have had a bad experience with Pac Transfer, maybe we should get a petition going and send it to the AG's office stating our .....experience with this company....... it couldn't hurt. Anyone got ideas? At the very least we could alert other buyers/sellers to the trap we fell into.

Thank you for the # to The Federal Trade Commission. I'll call them on Monday. It'd be great if everyone in this blog begins taking action to stop PPT and others like them from doing what they enjoy doing most - ripping off good people who don't know any better. CraigSF

donp196 wrote:

The Federal Trade Commission has a unit that deals exclusively with timeshare fraud. Their phone number is 1-877-382-4357.

I posted last month that the attorney general in California would take a more serious action against Pacific transfer if more people file complaints with them. The Company is based in California, but people throughout the US are being ripped off. I live in Colorado, but filed the complaint with CA. Again they said the can take a case in behalf of "the people", this means many more of you who are affected need to write to the attorney general in CA. I posted the name and address already. Julie

Obviously Hundreds of us have been scammed by Pacific Transfer. I have saute re leaf from every agency I have heard of and not had any results. The only way any of us can really get any action Is to file a class action suit Individually we are powerless. If you REALLY want to get results give your Phone number or E-mail address on Red Week so we can bombard Attorney Generals and or get a lawyer to represent us. By the way don't bother to contact the BB, they are not members of BB so BB has no power over them.

I've been reading the posts and decided to check the records at the courthouse. My timeshare is in Kissimmee, FL, so I went to the Osceola county courthouse search page: http://198.140.240.30/or_web1/or_sch_1.asp and searched on my name and found that my Warranty Deed was recorded in 2013. So I have a record that the timeshare is not in my name, but the resort still thinks its in my name, so I will be sending them a copy of the recorded deed. So check the county records.

Simply recording a deed in someone else's name does not transfer the timeshare. You also have to get the resort management to acknowledge the transfer. Sometimes it is just forms that need to be filled out and sometimes there is a management imposed transfer fee. If you can't get Pacific Transfer to do, you might want to take care of it yourself.

Tracey is right. If they are not notified they have no idea the title was transferred. Send a certified copy to the resort receipt returned so you have proof they received it.

My husband and I have been dealing with them since October ,2011. It has been a nightmare. We wound up paying 2014 maintainence fees because they said I missed sending some paper they requested. I was in the hospital at the time and sent it when I was able which they said was 13 days late. I was charged late fees then collection fees amounting to double the original fees. At the current time (May 22,2015) we are again arguing with them over the fees. I sent all the notices to them as we recieved them. The fees were not paid. We are now getting bills via mail AND phone calls from the collection agency, Pinnacle in CA. I forward the mailings to them with a return proof of delivery card. My husband answered the phone last week while I was out. He said they told him we had to pay the fees but I could call them in June. Does this mean they are filing bankruptcy???