Reasonable Offer?

Would like any comments/advice...

Background: My sister owns 2 units in Va. Beach, beachfront red week in 4-star for 15 years, uses both rooms every year for herself, kids & grandkids. My family rents there every year, same week, for about $275/night. We all love it and will always go.

Maint = $450/year, part of Interval Int'l

Am planning on buying a deeded week rather than continue renting @ 2k/year. I've seen one room advertised @ $6500 on internet and two avail through realtor advertised @ $15k. Realtor states avg. selling price for units is 5-7k. (I thought this was very honest). All three units have been listed for a year or so.

So, all said, rent or buy? What's a reasonable offer? Is it worth a bit extra to go through realtor for service , title search, etc?

Thanks for any advice. HP

If your dealing with the owner and the unit has been listed for sale more than a year try dealing!

We sold our unit years ago by renting with deal that if family wanted to buy then full amount of rent went on agreed price!

Had a verbel agreement but that was twenty years ago! Now I would have this in a written contract.

If you go every year then work a deal with a owner to rent his unit and if you like it you will buy at a agreed price and your rental fee will be deducted like down payment!

I wouldn't tell this owner you go every year but that you are going same time as your sister who owns there and you are thinking of buying a unit if you like the resort!

I would also drop the news that you have started looking at Redweek and Tug about resales and how to buy!

Most owners will know what your talking about and know you are doing your home work and get good deal some where if not with them!

I would say dealing with the owner after a year you are calling the shots and owner probably couldn't wait to make good deal with you! Its not like the bus ruling that there will be another along in few minutes. After you he might be waiting another year!

Set your price and try to make deal and if owner doesn't deal move on to another owner!

I had a post on here months ago about a friend of ours and how he goes on vacation every year by renting top timeshares and gets his price and weeks everytime!

He will list the resort and size/view he wants then list all the owners with ads in his address book so when he sends his offer it goes to all the people and they can see everyone that gets this e-mail!

He list his terms and tells them first one to make his deal to contact him.

He wanted us to go to Cancun few years ago with his family to Royal Caribbean and I told him there was no way he could get us a unit in this short of time and he proved me wrong. As we sit in the pool with our drinks he rubbed it in to me and laughed! He did get the unit and resort he wanted and at his price and this is why he says he would never buy one!

Two years later he did same thing and within a two month period he booked the Weston in Maui and we went with them again!

If your first offer doesn't work try this and it will get you your unit!

Thanks Phill,

I like the idea of mass-emailing my request. I will definately keep that in mind for future use. I tried the rent deal for this year but too late - they were already rented. So I'm expecting to offer on a unit this week for use next year (and will rent through resort for this year), but am not sure if I am better off through realtor or if buying through WASI for a Redweek sale is just as safe. Have you heard anything about the WASI transactions? Thanks for your help! Thanks

Sorry but I do not! I would in most cases rather buy from a owner than realtor because of higher prices.

You should also check other sites for your timeshare and write down all that fit your plans. Enter all of them when you make your offer! It wasn't clear when you said you rent same week every year. Does this mean your sister owns fixed week and if so this will narrow your search down to only one week of the year.

You might still be able to work a deal for this year because remember your offering to buy their unit after renting it so they would much rather rent to you this year over someone just renting.

This is also a no lose for a owner because they get their unit rented for this year and possible sale too which is what their hoping for!

The one thing you have going for you is you already know what type unit you want at this resort even though the owners wouldn't know this!

Just remember that some owners will tell you your out of your mind and still be asking couple years from now why they get no offers. Of coarse by then you will have bought the unit and season you want from someone else!

Dale (our friend) would tell me how he would get e-mails telling him off and then stating if he wanted to up his price to contact them. Had to laugh because his answer back was always very short and to the point and it was "NO THANK YOU".

Some of these same owners would e-mail him couple weeks before going on vacation and want to deal and again he would just say"NO THANK YOU".

GOOD LUCK! PHILL12

As phill stated, if this timeshare has been for sale for an entire year, I would lowball an offer and the owner may just jump on it depending on how anxious he/she is to sell. If the owner says no to the lowball offer, than I would start negotiating.

The ball is in your court as it's a buyer's market with millions of timeshares for sale on the resale market.

You can access www.timesharetransfer.com to do all the paperwork, closing and transfer should you decide to buy. You don't need a realtor to do this.

Thank you both for your input. I think I'll try an offer direct with the one seller who is not using the realtor and see how it goes. I will be paying cash so that gives me some flexibility. One other question...do you have any advice on what I should check out before commiting? Such as...check w/ resort regarding accrued fees, or have a lawyer check out the documents? I will look into timeshare transfer.com also, but didn't know if I should do my own checking on some things.

If I put out an offer, is it okay to send it to the three ads at once to see who bites? Am I obligated if someone responds and accepts? I am serious about buying, but if a second person accepts before I sign documents and it's a better unit, can I change to the second offer? Not sure what the protocol is. Thank you.

heidip8 wrote:

Thank you both for your input. I think I'll try an offer direct with the one seller who is not using the realtor and see how it goes. I will be paying cash so that gives me some flexibility. One other question...do you have any advice on what I should check out before commiting? Such as...check w/ resort regarding accrued fees, or have a lawyer check out the documents? I will look into timeshare transfer.com also, but didn't know if I should do my own checking on some things.

If I put out an offer, is it okay to send it to the three ads at once to see who bites? Am I obligated if someone responds and accepts? I am serious about buying, but if a second person accepts before I sign documents and it's a better unit, can I change to the second offer? Not sure what the protocol is. Thank you.

I would only e-mail owners that have the unit and season and size you want! Why change your plan just because some owner has aweek to sell! Remember you will always find a owner wanting to sell!

Buy what you want and at your price or walk away. You are not in the rush that some of these owners are!

Find owners with your week or seasons and send them all same e-mail like I explained in earlier post to you.

The more e-mail address the better, maybe you will have twenty different owners and hear back from five with great deal!

If I was sitting on my unit for over a year and you tell me you are going to buy a condo at my resort because your sister owns there and you want to spend same weeks there with your family I would get excited from your interest!

I would then look and see you are buying and have the cash. I would see you plan on buying a unit in couple weeks and see your price you would be willing to pay.

I would then read that you sent this e-mail to twenty other owners with same unit and week and will take best deal and decide within couple days which unit to buy!

I may not go for it but many will and decide they need to come in with lower price. You may be the first person to show these twenty owners some interest and they will deal!

Be honest that you are e-mailing all you owners and state highest price you will pay and sit back and wait! You might list that you will be buying and excepting best deal within a time span of few days.

Worse thing that could happen would be no one replies back to you on this e-mail but I doubt this will happen!

You might still use rent plan since you want to stay there with your sister anyway.This gives you a chance to really check the resort and talk to them about how things are run.You might also be able in person to get office to give you some imformation on this owner if your buying the unit!

I'm not sure what you mean by if you agree to buy and someone comes along with better unit! If your buying like most then its float time and if your buying fixed week just offer on weeks you would want and size.

I would also state that you are buying and this is your highest price and will look at best deal offered now by these owners.

Once you agree to buy and start paperwork I would say no its not alright to back out for better deal!

Remember by listing your interest in buying to all these people you are saying they have unit your interested in and might buy if price is right!

heidip8 wrote:

One other question...do you have any advice on what I should check out before commiting? Such as...check w/ resort regarding accrued fees ...

Once you have come to an agreement you can perform due diligence by calling the resort to make sure the week you're buying is in the seller's name and that maintenance fees are paid to date.

If you should go with timesharetransfer, the seller will send a copy of their deed and you send a certified check to timesharetransfer that they hold in escrow until the transaction is complete. Timesharetransfer will do the rest including all paperwork and transference of the deed into your name in the county where the timeshare is located and they will send you the new deed.

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If I put out an offer, is it okay to send it to the three ads at once to see who bites? Am I obligated if someone responds and accepts?

I see nothing wrong with putting in a contingent (upon several factors) offer on the 3 ads. You can tell the seller that you're also making offers on other ads then perhaps they will lower their price per the competition, however it's possible you will be turned down by one or all.

However, if the ads are on Ebay or Bidshares, then that's a whole different story. Final bids on Ebay and Bidshares are considered binding, ethically speaking, although not legally.

Thank you for your advice. I'm so glad I discovered this forum this week right before I started to get into the buying stage. I'm fortunate that I know the resort well and my sister has owned for many years with all good things to say, so I'm quite comfortable with that part of the decision. I will offer this week on a unit and see how I fare! Thanks again!

I have been to many time share presentations and then I found this site. I want to rent a timeshare in Hawaii for next August 2008 but after reading some of the horror stories about being scammed and such I am not sure I what to do. I do not know how it all works.

If for example i want to go to Hawaii in August 2008 and I find a rental on Redweeks that I am interested in, do I contact the owner and negotiate the rental amount. If we agree to the price, does the owner than make a reservation in my name or how does all of this work. I am sure this material is on this site but I have yet to find it. Please be patient if I am asking a question in the wrong section.

A confused potential buyer and renter.

J

Phil,

How is your friend acquiring the email addresses?

imanm3 wrote:

Phil,

How is your friend acquiring the email addresses?

Most owners when running a ad list their e-mail address! They need someway for a renter or buyer to contact them!

He will write down the information on the units/resorts that he wants to use for vacation and then enter them in his e-mail address book.

This way he can send one offer out and have all the addresses listed on the one e-mail!

I watched him do this on the Cancun Mexico resort and we wanted Royal Caribbean Resort ground floor two bedroom with ocean/pool area view.

He found about eight units available in the timeshare sites and sent out one offer. Within two days he had three owners contact him to except his terms. He also had two e-mails telling him he was nuts but if he wanted to pay more to contact them! Reply "NO THANK YOU"

We sit out on the patio on first floor looking at the ocean and pool. Our patio was within 50 ft of the pool. His wife and my wife gave us bad time because by second day we had the waitress and waiters walking over to our patio with our drinks they serve at pool side!

We traded in there about ten years earlier and had ocean front but our condo was near the top and this time we wanted ground floor and Dale got it for us and at his price not the owners!

johnc655 wrote:

I have been to many time share presentations and then I found this site. I want to rent a timeshare in Hawaii for next August 2008 but after reading some of the horror stories about being scammed and such I am not sure I what to do. I do not know how it all works.

If for example i want to go to Hawaii in August 2008 and I find a rental on Redweeks that I am interested in, do I contact the owner and negotiate the rental amount. If we agree to the price, does the owner than make a reservation in my name or how does all of this work. I am sure this material is on this site but I have yet to find it. Please be patient if I am asking a question in the wrong section.

A confused potential buyer and renter.

J

The problem you may run into at this date is that owners may not be able to get a confirmation for a date over a year away. But if they can, aloha!

adahiscout wrote:

johnc655 wrote:

I have been to many time share presentations and then I found this site. I want to rent a timeshare in Hawaii for next August 2008 but after reading some of the horror stories about being scammed and such I am not sure I what to do. I do not know how it all works.

If for example i want to go to Hawaii in August 2008 and I find a rental on Redweeks that I am interested in, do I contact the owner and negotiate the rental amount. If we agree to the price, does the owner than make a reservation in my name or how does all of this work. I am sure this material is on this site but I have yet to find it. Please be patient if I am asking a question in the wrong section.

A confused potential buyer and renter.

J

======== Yes, to almost all the above. If you really want Hawaii,you should look through the RedWeek rental offers, if any, and immediately contact the owner. If he is advertising a reserved week you like, don't haggle long. Hawaii is hard to get. If he is advertising a floating week, see if he can actually get a confirmation for a date you can use. Don't delay. Remember that owners have paid to buy these weeks and are still paying maintenence fees and taxes every year. Don't try to scam THEM.

The problem you may run into at this date is that owners may not be able to get a confirmation for a date over a year away. But if they can, aloha!

I sent out many messages and as been told, I low balled the request. I would negotiate from there but there are mid 20 - 30 floating times available at two resorts I am interested in. I made sure that the offer to rent was above what the normal maintance fees were and hopefully I get a hit back. It has only been a few days since I sent them out.....heres hoping

johnc655 wrote:

adahiscout wrote:

johnc655 wrote:

I have been to many time share presentations and then I found this site. I want to rent a timeshare in Hawaii for next August 2008 but after reading some of the horror stories about being scammed and such I am not sure I what to do. I do not know how it all works.

If for example i want to go to Hawaii in August 2008 and I find a rental on Redweeks that I am interested in, do I contact the owner and negotiate the rental amount. If we agree to the price, does the owner than make a reservation in my name or how does all of this work. I am sure this material is on this site but I have yet to find it. Please be patient if I am asking a question in the wrong section.

A confused potential buyer and renter.

J

======== Yes, to almost all the above. If you really want Hawaii,you should look through the RedWeek rental offers, if any, and immediately contact the owner. If he is advertising a reserved week you like, don't haggle long. Hawaii is hard to get. If he is advertising a floating week, see if he can actually get a confirmation for a date you can use. Don't delay. Remember that owners have paid to buy these weeks and are still paying maintenence fees and taxes every year. Don't try to scam THEM.

The problem you may run into at this date is that owners may not be able to get a confirmation for a date over a year away. But if they can, aloha!

I sent out many messages and as been told, I low balled the request. I would negotiate from there but there are mid 20 - 30 floating times available at two resorts I am interested in. I made sure that the offer to rent was above what the normal maintance fees were and hopefully I get a hit back. It has only been a few days since I sent them out.....heres hoping

Johnc655 I sent out many messages and as been told, I low balled the request. I would negotiate from there but there are mid 20 - 30 floating times available at two resorts I am interested in. I made sure that the offer to rent was above what the normal maintance fees were and hopefully I get a hit back. It has only been a few days since I sent them out.....heres hoping I am hoping to get a week in Maui in june of next year. Let me know how it works out. I have never rented and I'm not sure how much to offer. It seems most asking prices are super inflated. I am hoping to get somthing for a couple hundred of the MF.

{PHIL12} Remember that Hawaii is hard to get but Maui is the hardest one to trade/rent into if your looking at the big names like the Westins, Marriotts in Ka'anapali. Doubt you would ever rent for few dollars more than MF unless its last minute!

When they don't get close to the asking price they will then give it to II or the resorts own system to trade later!

As far as Maui, owners will deal more in the Kihei area and you can get very good price as the owners time gets near! Many of the resorts on Kihei are through Rci so owners are more ready to deal!

You can find great deals if you could fly to Hawaii at last minute. I found two different owners asking for less than $500 for one bedrooms at the Ka'anapali Beach Club in Maui on the Tug 45 days list. Trouble with this is getting air and car rentals with this short of a notice. Even if you can get these the cost on short notice can be high!

The owners had renters who backed out and they ran out of time and just wanted the money to cover their MF.

If you don't get response you want then don't rent! Rent what you want and when you want at your price!

I have seen my resort which rents for around $1200-$1600 for a week and there was a week for rent on there for $600 but you needed to use it the next week!

This is the deals you look for if you can leave anytime!

Remember these people paid for the ad to rent and if they ask for to much just move on to another group of owners. You might enjoy going back in couple months and see their prices dropping!

Smart owners that have been through this before will look at every offer because it might be the last one that year!

Myself I wouldn't waste my time with a owner trying to rent and doesn't even have a week or unit reserved! Unless you are taking a week in off season most of these owners can not get a good week at that point!

I have bonus time aprox 26 days available from the resort and was told by resort I should rent some because my family could never use all of it in the next four years. If we don't use we lose! We went up twice for eight days and still have all these days left to use!

It would be same thing as trying to rent from owner who didn't get unit reserved yet! Only difference is I can only get the days 15 days before it would be used! I read a post today of a family wanting a four to five day vacation in my area and someone posted to them about renting their bonus time! This is resort bonus time not II or Rci bonus time!

phill12 wrote:

I sent out many messages and as been told, I low balled the request. I would negotiate from there but there are mid 20 - 30 floating times available at two resorts I am interested in. I made sure that the offer to rent was above what the normal maintance fees were and hopefully I get a hit back. It has only been a few days since I sent them out.....heres hoping

Remember that Hawaii is hard to get but Maui is the hardest one to trade/rent into if your looking at the big names like the Westins, Marriotts in Ka'anapali. Doubt you would ever rent for few dollars more than MF unless its last minute!

When they don't get close to the asking price they will then give it to II or the resorts own system to trade later!

As far as Maui, owners will deal more in the Kihei area and you can get very good price as the owners time gets near! Many of the resorts on Kihei are through Rci so owners are more ready to deal!

You can find great deals if you could fly to Hawaii at last minute. I found two different owners asking for less than $500 for one bedrooms at the Ka'anapali Beach Club in Maui on the Tug 45 days list. Trouble with this is getting air and car rentals with this short of a notice.

The owners had renters who backed out and they ran out of time and just wanted the money to cover their MF.

If you don't get response you want then don't rent! Rent what you want and when you want at your price!

I have seen my resort which rents for around $1200-$1600 for a week and there was a week for rent on there for $600 but you needed to use it the next week!

This is the deals you look for if you can leave anytime!

Remember these people paid for the ad to rent and if they want to much just move on to another group of owners. You might enjoy going back in couple months and see their prices dropping!

Myself I wouldn't waste my time with a owner trying to rent and doesn't even have a week or unit reserved! Unless you are taking a week in off season most of these owners can not get a good week at that point!

I have bonus time aprox 26 days available from the resort and was told by them I should rent some because my family could never use all of it in the next four years. If we don't use we lose! We went up twice for eight days and still have all these days left to use!

It would be same thing as trying to rent from owner who didn't get unit reserved yet but I can only get the week 15 days before it would be used! I read a post today of a family wanting a four to five day vacation in my area and someone posted to them about renting their bonus time! This is resort bonus time not II or Rci bonus time!

========= In deciding what to offer, consider first how badly you really want to go. If it is just a passing fancy, bid low and hope for the best, but if you really need a narrow range of dates at a certain location, you will have a good chance of--staying home.

As Phil mentions, the Floating Week people have nothing to sell but potential. They need your go-ahead before they nail down a date and if you dicker till it is gone, they can't help you. If possible, go with an owner who already has a confirmed week advertised. You might indeed wait and get a last minute special, only to find that air fares have gone up (as they do as time gets short) or they are already overbooked for your dates and you'll have to swim to Hawaii.

Think of what you would realistically pay for a night in a nice hotel. Then realize that a timeshare will be twice as nice. So why expect to get it at fleabag prices? MD

johnc655 wrote:

Sent out many messages and as been told, I low balled the request. I would negotiate from there but there are mid 20 - 30 floating times available at two resorts I am interested in. I made sure that the offer to rent was above what the normal maintance fees were and hopefully I get a hit back. It has only been a few days since I sent them out.....heres hoping

I don't know if you are going by what I stated to Heidips about making offers to buy! When you say you were told to low-ball then negotiate I hope you didn't take this from my post!

What I said was my friend list his offer to rent in mass e-mail for his price and he doesn't negotiate later. He states his offer and that he will except best deal that comes in within a number of days and that is it!

Dale offers fair price for the unit and sticks to it and if he doesn't get that unit he moves on! I have only seen this happen one time and it was top resort in Las Vegas during some holiday and he went to his second choice!

Some owners price their units fair but many price way to high and he wouldn't bother mailing them anyway! He doesn't waste his time trying to explain to a greedy owner or one that is clueless so all his e-mails showing his interest in renting a week at their resort goes to owners that have fair price listed.

Few years ago we stayed at the Westin in Maui and he offered fair price but not going to pay a greedy owner their rate!

The old saying you get what you pay for is true and since Dale only stays in Five Star resorts he isn't trying to steal a vacation but pay fair price!

Most owners that you try and low-ball will tell you where you put your offer. Dale gives good offer and this is why his family has nice vacations each year.He has many of these owners tell him they would make same deal when he wants to come back so he has also treated them right!

Forget low-balling just to start negotiating with some owner because you will lose!

Just pick owners that have the resort and week you want and send e-mail with fair price range you are willing to pay and wait and if nothing in couple days pick another resort you like and do same thing or different week that you would like!

You want to be nice about this and just make the offer that you have interest in their resort and their week and leave it on the table few days and not tick owners off because they will just delete your e-mail!

Be honest and state that this e-mail was sent to all the above addresses that have this week and size unit you want. State you will rent in couple days from owner with best price and thank them for their time! The whole point of doing this is to save money,get the resort and week you want.

John,I wanted to add to this post ! This type of dealing is for a short time listings!

Your not going to get a owner in Maui or most resorts in Hawaii to work with you in June 2008. There is just to much time left and they will most likely rent at their price or close to it if its a top rated resort!

Start vacation dealing with the owners when they are down to 45-60 days and then they get nervous and now just want someone to make a offer! I would say for June 2008 you start mid April 2008. Also make sure you get a flight for your week! It would be rough to work a great deal and then sit home because you couldn't get a flight!

Remember if you want to go on vacation at your price then this will work. If you like to plan ahead then you should look at the ads on here and other sites and make deal now if your going to Hawaii 2008.

SORRY IF IT WAS MY POST YOU MISUNDERSTOOD!

phill12 wrote:

johnc655 wrote:

Sent out many messages and as been told, I low balled the request. I would negotiate from there but there are mid 20 - 30 floating times available at two resorts I am interested in. I made sure that the offer to rent was above what the normal maintance fees were and hopefully I get a hit back. It has only been a few days since I sent them out.....heres hoping

I don't know if you are going by what I stated to Heidips about making offers to buy! When you say you were told to low-ball then negotiate I hope you didn't take this from my post!

What I said was my friend list his offer to rent in mass e-mail for his price and he doesn't negotiate later. He states his offer and that he will except best deal that comes in within a number of days and that is it!

Dale offers fair price for the unit and sticks to it and if he doesn't get that unit he moves on! I have only seen this happen one time and it was top resort in Las Vegas during some holiday and he went to his second choice!

Some owners price their units fair but many price way to high and he wouldn't bother mailing them anyway! He doesn't waste his time trying to explain to a greedy owner or one that is clueless so all his e-mails showing his interest in renting a week at their resort goes to owners that have fair price listed.

Few years ago we stayed at the Westin in Maui and he offered fair price but not going to pay a greedy owner their rate!

The old saying you get what you pay for is true and since Dale only stays in Five Star resorts he isn't trying to steal a vacation but pay fair price!

Most owners that you try and low-ball will tell you where you put your offer. Dale gives good offer and this is why his family has nice vacations each year.He has many of these owners tell him they would make same deal when he wants to come back so he has also treated them right!

Forget low-balling just to start negotiating with some owner because you will lose!

Just pick owners that have the resort and week you want and send e-mail with fair price range you are willing to pay and wait and if nothing in couple days pick another resort you like and do same thing or different week that you would like!

You want to be nice about this and just make the offer that you have interest in their resort and their week and leave it on the table few days and not tick owners off because they will just delete your e-mail!

Be honest and state that this e-mail was sent to all the above addresses that have this week and size unit you want. State you will rent in couple days from owner with best price and thank them for their time! The whole point of doing this is to save money,get the resort and week you want.

John,I wanted to add to this post ! This type of dealing is for a short time listings!

Your not going to get a owner in Maui or most resorts in Hawaii to work with you in June 2008. There is just to much time left and they will most likely rent at their price or close to it if its a top rated resort!

Start vacation dealing with the owners when they are down to 45-60 days and then they get nervous and now just want someone to make a offer! I would say for June 2008 you start mid April 2008. Also make sure you get a flight for your week! It would be rough to work a great deal and then sit home because you couldn't get a flight!

Remember if you want to go on vacation at your price then this will work. If you like to plan ahead then you should look at the ads on here and other sites and make deal now if your going to Hawaii 2008.

SORRY IF IT WAS MY POST YOU MISUNDERSTOOD!

One sees quite a few folks on RedWishes pleading for resort spots when they already have non-refundable air tickets. They usually want Christmas or some other high value week for pocket change. If they have waited too long, of course, all the money in the world may not be enough to get the date they need. There was/is a fellow getting married in Mexico who was only able to get mid-week air tickets. To the best of my knowledge, Full weeks all start on the weekends. And he is offering $200. This is likely to be a short marriage. MD

adahiscout wrote:

One sees quite a few folks on RedWishes pleading for resort spots when they already have non-refundable air tickets. They usually want Christmas or some other high value week for pocket change. If they have waited too long, of course, all the money in the world may not be enough to get the date they need. There was/is a fellow getting married in Mexico who was only able to get mid-week air tickets. To the best of my knowledge, Full weeks all start on the weekends. And he is offering $200. This is likely to be a short marriage. MD

In this case I do not like wishlist because some people put out a request for a top week and resort and the offer is ridiculous and chances are no one will contact them!

I prefer e-mailing serval owners at once if I have the e-mail address and let the owner understand this offer is going out to all these owners with your week and unit you would like and you will take best offer.

If you take ad from places like Redweek then you have no e-mail but you can tell them you are sending this same offer to five other owners on Redweek or other sites at same time and best offer and its a deal! Someone wanting a holiday are out of their mind if they wait around for a cheap week in a busy area of resorts!

Anyone wanting a holiday week should do same as far as giving owners information that they are looking for best off and will make deal within say seven days and wait for offers and make best deal you can for a holiday week!

We own so we plan ahead and have never needed the plan Dale uses. He not only doesn't own one but would never buy one because his way is cheaper and easier just renting every year!