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By Debra L.

Manhattan Club Lawsuit

*Eichner....spelled his name wrong...didn't have my glasses on!

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3 years ago
Apr 26, 2016

By Sari P.

I only see this case of yours as stealing money! Its ridiculous how much the membership costs to you guys. Its so out of my head, compared if I booked on my own!

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3 years ago
Apr 28, 2016

By Chris V.

"stealing money" along with defrauding, lying, misrepresenting, usury, scamming, deceitng..............just name any deceitful way of extracting money from honest timeshare purchasers, and eichner had done it.........and an exclamation mark is required here....................!!!!!

sarip2 wrote:
I only see this case of yours as stealing money! Its ridiculous how much the membership costs to you guys. Its so out of my head, compared if I booked on my own!

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3 years ago
Apr 28, 2016

By Chris V.

............... we MUST all contact NEW YORK SENATOR CHARLES SCHUMER enumerating ALL of our complaints (already document by the NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, eric schneiderman).

DO IT NOW.

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3 years ago
Apr 28, 2016

By Robert R.

To Fibon: A quitclaim deed is a document that transfers ownership of real estate from one person to another. Quitclaim deeds often are used when property isn't sold.

Last edit by robertr490 on Apr 28, 2016 09:02 AM.

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3 years ago
Apr 28, 2016

By Jill S.

A quitclaim deed may only work if the timeshare is owned in fee simple. I own two other timeshares that have a recorded deed to a specific unit in a timeshare development, even though I'm not guaranteed occupancy to my specifically deeded unit (only its equivalent). My ownership interest in TMC does not have such a deed, although I'm going to research this further. Maybe I do and don't understand it. I have a parchment-like certificate of ownership. On the back is a pre-printed transfer of ownership statement if I sell or give away my ownership to someone else.

I'm not sure how this type "quitclaim" works unless the receiving party follows up on the transfer of ownership. I think it's like a pinkslip to a car. If the new owner doesn't establish ownership -- like going to DMV and registering the car in their name -- the transfer is incomplete.

Any clarification of this from anyone?!

Last edit by jills465 on Apr 28, 2016 10:39 AM.

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3 years ago
Apr 28, 2016

By Fibo N.

Robert, thanks a lot. Would such transfer be available now under AG investigation?

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3 years ago
Apr 28, 2016

By Laura H.

This was a really constructive comment. Some aren't. Actually what all timeshare owners need is legislation for the industry. There are many problems out there and we are being bilked in many ways.

I have said many times that not paying maintenance fees is any kind of a solution. It harms those who are paying and if this case isn't resolved as we would like it to be, you may have even more problems!

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3 years ago
Apr 29, 2016

By Janice F.

I just want to let you know that as a timeshare owner in the Manhattan club we have rights to go to the lounge anytime even if for not staying at The Manhattan Club we all got cards with our pictures on it that give us permission to use that lounge so there's no reason why we cannot all meet their meeting or no meeting who has to know . We are just all gathered there by coinecedence, they cannot do anything about it we can start a conversation and have somebody filming. I think it is best idea yet. Can someone plan this?

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3 years ago
Apr 29, 2016

By Chris V.

janicef119,

perhaps you think eichner and/or one of his henchpersons isn't looking at this redweek.com forum on a daily basis. if he even thinks we are "coincidentally" meeting in HIS lounge for us to discuss strategies to overcome the wrongs he has heaped upon us (and to get to know one another as shareowners), he'd find a way of preventing such a meeting. on the other hand, it's a great idea if we owners can pull it off. this action needs to be planned strategically in order to get it off the ground. hopefully someone could come forward with creative ideas to plan this meeting, then COUNT ME IN. KEEP IN MIND THAT "STRATEGY" IS THE OPERATIVE WORD. it would be so perfect if we could get this meeting going, especially on eichner's turf.

keep us posted, janice.

chris

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3 years ago
Apr 29, 2016

By David H.

When was the last time you where at the MC? Have you noticed the amount of cameras all over the building, "BIG BROTHER" Eichner IS WATCHING.

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3 years ago
Apr 29, 2016

By Chris V.

laurah136,

not paying maintenance fees is practically the only strategy we have to fight eichner; we certainly aren't getting any current advice from the NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY, eric schneiderman, or for that matter from any new york media, consumer groups, senators, mayor, congressmen et al! not paying maintenance fees is the only weapon we have. i doubt that any other of us shareowners who are paying the fees are being hurt at all. paying their fees permits them to use the manhattan club IF THEY CAN GET RESERVATIONS. by not paying, we simply cannot use the accommodations.............AND THAT'S IT. i believe not paying maintenance hurts eichner and cohorts in their pocketbooks. they can't get their greedy share of the maintenance fees as part of their salaries; in addition, they must pay their bills, e.g,, salaries, utilities................so they need to dig in to their other funds to make these payments.

laurah136 wrote:
This was a really constructive comment. Some aren't. Actually what all timeshare owners need is legislation for the industry. There are many problems out there and we are being bilked in many ways.

I have said many times that not paying maintenance fees is any kind of a solution. It harms those who are paying and if this case isn't resolved as we would like it to be, you may have even more problems!

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3 years ago
Apr 29, 2016

By Stephen H.

We have enumerated the problems, now we need to work on solutions. Do we ask for money back from the hIgh fees and some cp on further raises? Do we empower own own owner's Board? DO we write a new reservation policy for owners? Do we issue all corrections that owener's are asking for through a lawsuit and keep track of their implementation. Do we try to get the AG to resolve the issues so the value of the timeshares get better and owner's have a chance to resell at a decent cost. We know the problems. Mobilize to suggest and advocate for solutions.

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3 years ago
Apr 30, 2016

By Sari P.

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Last edit by sarip2 on May 01, 2016 11:31 AM.

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3 years ago
Apr 30, 2016

By Chris V.

stephenh262 wrote:
We have enumerated the problems, now we need to work on solutions. Do we ask for money back from the hIgh fees and some cp on further raises? Do we empower own own owner's Board? DO we write a new reservation policy for owners? Do we issue all corrections that owener's are asking for through a lawsuit and keep track of their implementation. Do we try to get the AG to resolve the issues so the value of the timeshares get better and owner's have a chance to resell at a decent cost. We know the problems. Mobilize to suggest and advocate for solutions.

stephenh262,

if you have a creative plan to "Mobilize to suggest and advocate for solutions." please share this good idea with us. mobilization is an excellent tactic; the next issues is a "HOW TO MOBILIZE". we need concrete plans: to wit, like the excellent shareowners' meeting held in nyc last august. this was a well-planned meeting and drew many of us owners to attend. BUT WE WERE TALKED "TO" WITH INCONCLUSIVE SOLUTIONS, AND THERE WAS LITTLE IF ANY PROACTIVITY SHOWN BY OWNERS. we need to have an orderly roundtable discussion with a moderator keeping order and presenting our issues and ways to solve them to our satisfaction. an AGENDA would be essential (so we would have to write one) to prevent calling out by anyone, and going off on unnecessary tangents. major complaints, e.g., outrageously high maintenance fees, reservation issues, et al, must be listed and discussed in order, keeping in mind that we're seeking appropriate solutions to each of the listed complaints.

OK, WHO WILL COME UP WITH CREATIVE IDEAS TO GET OWNERS TO COME TOGETHER SIMILAR TO THE THE AUGUST MEETING IN NYC?

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3 years ago
Apr 30, 2016

By Susan H.

Manhattan Club Lawsuit

Alex, I tried to email you. It was not possible. Please let me know your proper address.

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3 years ago
May 01, 2016

By Vivien S.

Maybe we should form a TMC Owners Association so that we have a collective voice. If there are enough interested members, we can request TMC for the list of owners and their contact info. TMC cannot deny its owners to form a users' association.

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3 years ago
May 01, 2016

By Kathleen B.

Great idea there's power in numbers and we need to try to move this along to some conclusion, hopefully a positive for scammed owners.

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3 years ago
May 03, 2016

By Chris V.

kathleenb204 wrote:
Great idea there's power in numbers and we need to try to move this along to some conclusion, hopefully a positive for scammed owners.

kathleenb204,

please tell me how WE can "move this along to some conclusion" when the new york state attorney can't do so. you speak about "power in numbers".............true there are almost 14 to18,000 of us mc shareowners. however, last august there was a meeting of owners that was well-arranged and planned for.....................only about 100-150 of us owners showed up, and unfortunately, nothing, in my opinion, constructive came of this meeting. we were talked TO, but none of us really was able to speak out to contribute anything relating to a conclusion to this freaked-out situation we're in, concerning our interests in the mc.

please let us know how you plan to "move this along to some conclusion", and use the adage ""power in numbers". this means creative organization. how can we owners organize when we don't know who 95+% of the owners are so we can notify them.

i totally agree with the ideas of your post here at redweek.com, but we all need to construct a viable plan to come to a satisfactory conclusion concerning our unfortunate relationship with eichner and his gang.

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3 years ago
May 03, 2016

By Jill S.

Owners can sell or transfer ownership -- it's the developer who can't. But the various lawsuits and the AG allegations of fraud put a damper on individual sales. Who'd want to buy into this mess? That's why the "dark clouds" need to pass soon. I've had no problem renting my reservations -- have done it twice, once through eBay and once through Redweek. TMC is in high demand as rentals because it's ideally located and not much competition.

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3 years ago
May 03, 2016

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