Ask RedWeek / March, 2021

How will Hilton buying Diamond affect owners of both clubs?

I saw Hilton Grand Vacations just agreed to buy Diamond Resorts. What's the big picture impact of this transaction and, more importantly, what does it mean for owners of both timeshare companies?

Big Changes Ahead for Hilton and Diamond Owners

Whopping changes are ahead for members of both clubs, but none will surface until after the deal is closed, and approved by regulators, this summer. But sometime down the road, the two clubs are likely to be combined under one roof — named Hilton — with all the brand-name benefits that Hilton Grand Vacations (HGV) already provides existing owners. For Diamond owners, that should be an upgrade, according to the industry experts who talked to us about Hilton's buyout of Diamond.

Short term, both companies will remain separate entities while their management teams figure out how to consolidate them into the world's #2 timeshare company, right behind #1 Wyndham Destinations and just ahead of #3 Marriott Vacations.

A year from now, or so, all vestiges of Diamond Resorts will likely disappear from marquees and lobbies as HGV absorbs Diamond resorts and rebrands them as part of a new Hilton entity, called Hilton Vacation Club. That will include a centralized call center for all members to make reservations through Hilton, new travel packages that incorporate HGV and Diamond properties, new sales presentations for prospective buyers, new upgrade offers for existing members, etc.

In the meantime, Diamond owners who have purchased Getaway or Sampler packages should pursue reservations through Diamond's existing reservations system. The companies provided no guidance on what happens to those pre-paid vacation packages after HGV completes the buyout of Diamond Resorts.

In late 2021 and 2022, the bigger-than-ever Hilton Vacation Club will then include 154 resorts and 720,000 owners with a global footprint that offers travel to mid-level, upscale and luxury resorts.

"Our plans are to re-brand Diamond properties to a new sub-brand of HGV, which will be called Hilton Vacation Club," said a spokesperson for HGV. "As Diamond properties are rebranded under the HGV umbrella, they will be available for rental on Hilton.com."

To book stays at non-HGV resorts and Diamond inventory, HGV owners will need to go through an exchange company — probably RCI or Interval International — to secure a reservation. For the shorter term, Diamond owners will have to go through the same exchange exercise to book rooms at non-Diamond properties.

"Over time, we will provide additional details on how these two clubs might function together," HGV said in response to our questions.

When the transition is complete, HGV's management team, headed by CEO Mark Wang, will run the combined company. HGV offered no information on what will happen to Diamond's executives.

The Big Picture? Consolidation Continues in Timeshare Industry

The pandemic gave all major travel companies, including timeshares, a yearlong timeout to recalibrate for travel to resume. The result, so far: Wyndham Destinations rebranded its entire company to shift towards a travel-club model that offers all travel services, not just reservations at timeshares. Marriott Vacations Worldwide bought independent Welk Resorts to add eight more high-touch resorts to its portfolio. And now HGV has made the biggest adjustment of all, buying Diamond, the largest independent timeshare company, to its portfolio. It's a world where, in times of economic crisis, the toughest survive.

On paper, the HGV buyout of Diamond appears to be a big win for HGV and a muddled ending for Diamond, which was bought by Apollo Global Management (an investment fund) in 2016 for $2.2 billion. On March 10 of this year, Apollo agreed to sell Diamond to HGV for $1.4 billion in a non-cash, all-stock transaction that will give Apollo 28 percent of HGV's stock and membership on its board of directors.

Two years ago, the tables were turned, when news reports surfaced that Apollo had submitted an offer to buy HGV. In August 2019, HGV announced it had hired an investment firm to review offers, which meant it was really up for sale.

At the same time, industry execs were fielding (and repeating) rumors that Diamond was simultaneously in talks with Wyndham about a potential purchase or buyout. All sides denied it, but kept talking about it, because a Wyndham-Diamond merger sounded like a good fit of timeshare cultures.

All for naught, until now.

The success of the buyout hinges on the following projections from HGV, including $125 million in "cost synergies" achieved by reducing payroll and consolidating operations over two years. HGV's expanded network will include 20 new markets and many drive-to destinations that Diamond offered to customers. According to Diamond CEO Mike Flaskey, HGV will also incorporate Diamond's "events and concerts platform" to deliver expanded vacation opportunities to owners.

The long-term success of the acquisition, analysts told us, will depend on HGV's plan to integrate Diamond's mid-level resorts into HGV's high-level resort portfolio while upgrading the overall customer experience of Diamond owners into HGV's culture. Not an easy task.

For a full view HGV's position on the acquisition, see this presentation made for investors.

About the author

This answer was provided by RedWeek contributor, Jeff Weir. Jeff is a California-based journalist who has covered California, Congress, and the White House. He also has roots in Silicon Valley, where he directed public relations and marketing programs for high-tech companies. He is also a timeshare owner and member of RedWeek.com.

Full disclosure: the author of this Ask RedWeek is a longtime owner at Diamond Resorts.

Comments (50)

    Avatar for Dave M.
    Dave M.
    Feb 01, 2024

    Hi Malcom, Your post stood out from all the ones we have read. We also are Diamond HGV owners - home resort Palm Canyon Resort Palm Springs.

    Would you mind connecting to share any current updates and compare notes? We are moving in the direction of letting our deed go as well. Note: several years ago I called Wyndham directly and was able to get rid of my dad’s timeshare with one sheet of paper to release the deed. Nothing made on the deal but it cost nothing and only took 2 months.

    Hope you see this…connect at sgtdave47@gmail.com

    Thanks!

    Dave & Nancy McDowell

    malcolmc41 wrote:
    We just did our “annual review” at Hilton Tuscany Villas, Orlando; we have a deed (paid off years ago) at Cypress Pointe and have found Diamond Resorts has worked very well for us over the last few years. Hilton put on the full hard sell, treated us like idiots, threatened us with all sorts of scare tactics, lies, and misrepresentation. The bottom line is they want $20K or similar for us to give up our deed, essentially keep doing what we are currently doing, and maybe pay a couple of hundred less in fees but with no guarantees they won’t go up. The rep actually got rather angry with us for not wanting to change, and I think we broke him when he realized we were happy to sit for 30 minutes and talk about whatever we wanted. They released us early, then tried to short us $50 on what we had been promised for our “valuable time.” I’m not giving these Hilton bozos a penny. If they want my deed they can pay me for it or put me on their scheme for free; I have my deed, which has SOME value, I don’t want points, which have none; they lied about so many things and were furious we questioned their numbers; they treated us like morons when our position is perfectly defensible: I like what I have, if I keep it I’ve lost nothing - if I change and don’t like it it’ll cost me money, potentially a lot. TBH I’d rather pay my Cypress Pointe fees and not use it than give anything to Hilton as by my rough calculations I can do that for over 40 years and still not have paid as much as joining their points scheme will cost me over the same period but I’m pretty stubborn.

    Avatar for Mark J.
    Mark J.
    Jan 04, 2024

    010424: How can these comments be sorted in reverse chronological order?

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    Mark J.
    Jan 04, 2024

    1-4-2024 Here's our next step's beginnings: https://www.classaction.org/learn/how-to-start

    Avatar for Barbara H.
    Barbara H.
    Oct 28, 2023

    I have been a deeded week owner since 1994 at the Powhatan Resort in Williamsburg. Bought into the Sunterra in early 2000's, then becasme Diamond, with the biggest benefit being the conversion rights to use points, and the automatic points reduction for bookings at 50% point value within 60 days of the vacation week, or 50% or bookings within 30 days of scheduled time. Attended HGV presentation, and resisted buying 4000 points for $40,000 (not kidding - that was what they wanted to charge me.) Happy with my 11,000 points. But now they have eliminated the points reduction design, and said it is up to inidividual resorts to decide whether or not they want to discount points. That privilege was what induced me to buy into the Club years ago. I feel like there is a real contract violation here - that is what I paid for when I bought into the Club. 90% of my vacations are booked at my home resort. At no time during any HGV "owner's update" presentations did they ever mention the reduction of points trading, even within my home resort. Outrageous.

    Avatar for Artra Y.
    Artra Y.
    Oct 08, 2023

    Josephine Y. Time shares selling, what a SCAM and ripoff for consumers. If anyone has successfully gotten out of this nightmare, please enlighten the rest of us !!!!!! We were pressured in buying....Taking advantage of the elderly!!! It's WRONG!!!

    Avatar for Malcolm C.
    Malcolm C.
    Jun 25, 2023

    We just did our “annual review” at Hilton Tuscany Villas, Orlando; we have a deed (paid off years ago) at Cypress Pointe and have found Diamond Resorts has worked very well for us over the last few years. Hilton put on the full hard sell, treated us like idiots, threatened us with all sorts of scare tactics, lies, and misrepresentation. The bottom line is they want $20K or similar for us to give up our deed, essentially keep doing what we are currently doing, and maybe pay a couple of hundred less in fees but with no guarantees they won’t go up. The rep actually got rather angry with us for not wanting to change, and I think we broke him when he realized we were happy to sit for 30 minutes and talk about whatever we wanted. They released us early, then tried to short us $50 on what we had been promised for our “valuable time.” I’m not giving these Hilton bozos a penny. If they want my deed they can pay me for it or put me on their scheme for free; I have my deed, which has SOME value, I don’t want points, which have none; they lied about so many things and were furious we questioned their numbers; they treated us like morons when our position is perfectly defensible: I like what I have, if I keep it I’ve lost nothing - if I change and don’t like it it’ll cost me money, potentially a lot. TBH I’d rather pay my Cypress Pointe fees and not use it than give anything to Hilton as by my rough calculations I can do that for over 40 years and still not have paid as much as joining their points scheme will cost me over the same period but I’m pretty stubborn.

    Avatar for Lucille T.
    Lucille T.
    Jun 20, 2023

    I bought a deeded lockout timeshare unit in Kitty Hawk from Barrier Island. It has changed hands several times, & is now owned by Hilton. I paid to upgrade from weeks to points, & have dealt successfully with RCI for years. I pay huge maintenance fees yearly, & have also been charged an assessment for upgrades to the property, but since I don't want to pay another huge amount to join Hilton, I am charged the resort fees because they consider me an exchange. Are there any other unhappy owners who are experiencing this, and what can be done?

    Avatar for Vaz T.
    Vaz T.
    May 30, 2023 (edited)

    Hello my name is Vazgen. We owned DRI membership for more than10 years now. We started with a "sampler" and throughout the years were coerced and lied to buy more points, to buy "US collection points", to buy "Hawaii Collection " points, and then to convert everything into "Hawaii collection" because it had better value because there were limited amount of properties in Hawaii. Every time it costs us more and more money and in the end we had purchased 51,000 points to become Platinum membership owners and one of the sells reps even went out of his way to give us a "secret" advice, that he could loose his job for telling us about it, that a few years down the road we could sell 25K point to someone as a Gold Membership with the price of the Platinum membership we paid for and still be a Gold Membership owner with $0 cost. Fast forward during the pandemic I reached out the DRI trying to sell 25K of my points because of financial hardship. They told me that it is one account and I can't sell part of it. I tried to work out a deal with them to give 25K points back to them , because the maintenance fees were over 10K a year. They still did not agree because a still have balance on the loan. I could negotiate a deal with them after I pay the $35K balance. And even then I had to forfeit all of the membership. That was the end of the conversation. Today I had a zoom meeting with the HGV rep to go over our benefits and how to maximize our membership. And , of course it turned into a sales presentation and if we want to maximize our benefits we had to buy more points. The amazing part was that we supposedly did not pay our maintenance fees and our membership was downgraded from 51K platinum points to 18,500 Silver membership. And to get to HGV club we had to buy minimum of 2000 points for $12,833 or better to get 3500 point for $20,141 for gold membership, and I had to do it today. I did not agree to anything and I told them "I have to sleep on this". She will call me back tomorrow at noon. I'm just puzzled that how DRI could cancel part of my points but not all for not paying maintenance fees ! When I voiced my concerns , she said that this has foreclosed right before Hilton took over and when I asked her if she could provide me with number that I could speak to someone at DRI, she told me that Dimond does not exist anymore and I can not change anything about a foreclosure that happened two years ago. Now that I read all this comments, I understand that this is as fishy as it gets. They are asking HGV club owners to upgrade their membership to be able to use DRI properties and DRI members to spend more money to upgrade their membership to use Hilton properties. Only a "Class Action Lawsuit" can solve this problem, this is above any individual's abilities to take on a large company on their own.

    Avatar for Terry S.
    Terry S.
    Apr 17, 2023

    The difficulty lies in finding any attorney or attorneys who will take this on. It is such a convoluted mess. Anyone have a firm who shows interest?

    Avatar for Kamila L.
    Kamila L.
    Mar 25, 2023

    Hi we just had a sales pitch from HIlton ( we are diamond resort owners since 2005) and they wanted $68k to switch to Hilton max . After I got upset and said it criminal my “sales associate” disappeared, and he manager offered us the same membership for 30k . My husband then got very upset and said, why didn’t they offer this to begin with.? We left without signing anything and I’m very confused on what to do next..

    Avatar for Kay R.
    Kay R.
    Feb 19, 2023 (edited)

    Like all of you, I was cohersted into signing the contract. I do not fit the creteria. It is based on double occupancy. I am single. It is based on a 100,000 dollar a year income. i do not fit into that creteria either. I was forced to go to Las Vegas (or else I would have to pay for the room which is 1000 dollars. So I went, and found out that I was actually signing another contract to join Hilton Grand Vacations, I did not know this at the time. My application got rejected because of unpaid maintenance fees. they were pissed!! I have no intention of joining HGV. I have acquired a lung disease that prevents me from traveling, they do not care about debilitating health issues. I need to get out of this contract. I hope i have a chance bases on the fact that I do not fit the creteria. I called it a breach of contract. your thoughts? I would join the class action lawsuit.

    Avatar for Terry S.
    Terry S.
    Feb 11, 2023

    I am interested in knowing if anyone is, actually, working on a class action suit that you have mentioned? We are Gold members of Diamond and made the horrible mistake of paying the fees to to include Hilton HGVC. It was more like $35K. What have we gotten from that? Not much. During the trip following, my husband decided to attend another of their "meetings" and they explained that we needed to put in another $10K to ultimately save on maintenance fees. The logic given was incomprehensible, as usual. Is there no one to stop these people? We would like to sell all of this within the next two years but where and how? It is hard to trust anyone now..

    Avatar for Mike S.
    Mike S.
    Feb 01, 2023

    Good Evening,

    My name is Mike Schultz, if you would like more information on how to relinquish your rights with the company or at least obtaining a free assesment, or to have more information on how much is your contract worth in todays market give me a call 872-266-2666 ext. 5302. This assesment could help educate you into making the right decision.

    Make sure you say that you saw this message via ''Red Week''

    Avatar for Sharon J.
    Sharon J.
    Jan 24, 2023

    So I just found out that the former Diamond Resorts are not available to Hilton Grand Vacation Club owners. They only take Hilton Honors Points and refuse our HGVC owner club points. They tell me we have to upgrade, ( purchase another property) or we will never be eligible, even though we already own 2 properties. I believe Hilton has screwed all of its current club members!!! Sharon

    Avatar for Selhis L.
    Selhis L.
    Jan 18, 2023 (edited)

    We also will love to get out of the Diamond Resort, since the merge with Hilton is been a nightmare. We also went to the presentation because nothing in the account said Hilton. Since I arrive i told the sales lady ,we aren't spendding no more money. She keep talking and manipulating the situation. She did good and we feel for it. But today we send the letter of cancelation of that contract. All the paperwork is under Diamond but she keep saying that we where Hilton. Something don't add up. We will love to be part of the class action suit.

    Avatar for Mike W.
    Mike W.
    Jan 05, 2023 (edited)

    We just spent a week at Beachwoods Resort in Kitty Hawk, NC. We were encouraged to attend a presentation and I was interested in hearing about the acquisition, being Diamond owners. We did our presentation this morning. I’m sad to say that we feel betrayed by Diamond Resorts and Hilton. We were told that, if we didn’t upgrade to HGVC, we’d be left with shrinking inventory and rising maintenance fees. This is no way to transition the loyal Diamond members who have acted in good faith and had no say in the process. It would have been easy to figure out what our Diamond points are worth in HGVC and moved them over. Shameful! I, too, am waiting to join a class action suit.

    Avatar for Rhonda L.
    Rhonda L.
    Dec 05, 2022 (edited)

    If you do a Class Action or anything to get our money back please let me know. I was told when we did a small point package for HGVMax there would not be fees to transfer our points to Hilton Honors or to roll our points over from Diamond...now I am told there are cost for everything now. I even have the rep that signed us up on a text (6 months ago) that said she was told there would be no fees for rolling points or transferring to Hilton Honors and yet I am told there are and, she came back yesterday and said well I did not know at the time but there are, sign up anyway. I am not going to sign up.

    Let's band together... you cannot operate as a company like this and defraud people. I have been trying to call people and fill out forms to have people call me for more information. A day later or so out of the blue they call and I am on hold first time for an hour and when the person answered they hung up immediately without speaking. A few days later they called again and you automatically go on hold was waiting over 45 minutes and when the person answered they hung up immediately. Try calling any of the other numbers and getting a number for that department...it is non-existent and no one will give it to you or if they do it's an invalid number.

    They tell me I must decide by December 6th but cannot reach a dang soul. I am simply not falling for any more lies. They do not have anything listed that tells you all of the fees you will pay for every type of transaction you will make but they want you to agree to it and opt In.

    Avatar for Carolee P.
    Carolee P.
    Nov 16, 2022

    My husband and I owned HGV for more than 10 years. Over the years we upgraded to more points for $$’s. All and all I eventually added it all up and the amount we had invested was astounding! I believe more than $100,000. I wish I had added it up before. My husband started having health problems and we were not able use the HGV! Basically the timeshare although we were always told it’s not a timeshare because you own a part of it! I tried to go through a timeshare selling company which I paid Money for. Nothing. Then I read somewhere that Hilton won’t accept sales made through the timeshare companies and that sales had to go through Hilton resale department. So I decided rather than just giving our HGV property back for $0.00, I would try going through HGV resale. They were nice, and told me they would try to sell it. They do use other sales offices, you just can’t do it. It all has to go through them and then be accepted by HGV. So when January was coming close I decided to lower the $$ amount we would do. Well just before year end an offer came in and it was very low. But at that point I did not want to pay any more maintenance dues. We accepted the offer. We were at silver level. So we took a huge loss basically got $5,000 just to get out of the deed. But it was better than paying to get rid of the money pit! We are so glad that we did. This was this past year. Best wishes to all going through this buyout! 🙏🙏 to all of you! It’s a nightmare!

    Avatar for Dafani C.
    Dafani C.
    Nov 11, 2022

    I am paying roughly $1,894.12 per year for maintenance. This is equal to $270.59 cents per night based on a seven night stay. Or it is simply equal to $157.85 per monthly to keep my membership. Adding this with my initial investment this is crazy. I am not this one. I think I am paying for Disney Vacation $450 per year. I need to check on this, and wow the resorts are out of this world amazing and I am glad to spend my initial investment plus $450 annually. The maintenance once I am not happy with has means of renting out rooms to collect money and those can be used toward maintenance and utilities etc. Then fractional ownership of condo for example would have to divide say $300 a month for the HOA and here guessing $300 a month on utilities this is $600 a month and $7200 a year. This is $138.46 per week and points start balancing out to a week. If you own more points you own more weeks in theory. Points have to logically work their way back to a fractional ownership. They cannot sell more points than they can occupy. Then if this is the case $138.46 all the way to $1894.12 shows a huge issue. How can the owners unite and take the power back over from them and get the maintenance fee to where it needs to be?

    Avatar for Dee B.
    Dee B.
    Oct 21, 2022

    We are also DRI silver status members for over 10 yrs. We also recently attended an “update” after being told the same thing - we had to invest another $20K+ to be a part of HGV. The sales presentation was very misleading, and of course a hard sale, that we almost went with. Until check out time, and the woman assigned to this part was very clear and forthcoming when she went over the entire sale, which was NOT how it was presented to us. At which point, we backed out of the deal. But I do recall her saying we would still have access too all of our DRI resorts, as we have in the past. I recently went to the DRI website to make reservations for next year, and NOTHING is available now, no matter which dates I put in within the year timeframe. I will be researching the best way to unload this timeshare! Thank you all for your comments.