Ask RedWeek / April, 2015

Does Wyndham's new Ovation program offer reasonable exit solutions for owners?

I received an email about Wyndham's new "Ovation" program, which claims to help Wyndham owners end their ownership when desired. Do they really have reasonable solutions, or is this just an attempt to sell us more?

Wyndham, the world's largest timeshare company with 900,000 owners, just rolled out a program that, allegedly, provides a way for owners to sell, donate, or give back their timeshares after many years of supposedly satisfied usage. Known as "Ovation by Wyndham," the exit program was recently announced in a deliberately low-key email blast to owners. WorldMark, one of many Wyndham resort chains, also posted a one-page blurb about Ovation on its Web site. To get any real information about the program, owners had to contact Wyndham.

Everything about the program is pretty murky, at least for now, because the whole thing is an experiment in finding solutions. Wyndham executives, who declined to say much about Ovation for two months, recently gave RedWeek a first-look in order to offset complaints from Wyndham owners that were surfacing on user groups and other owner-forums, including RedWeek.com.

The Ovation Pitch

The email sent to owners had this simple message:

"We're proud to introduce Ovation by Wyndham – a new program offering credible options for owners who are ready to transition to the next phase of their travel needs."

The accompanying one-page blurb sent this message: "This program provides assistance to owners whose lifestyle or vacation preferences have changed and are seeking safe and viable options to transition out of their ownership. Offers available are relative to unique owner needs and qualifications, and may also vary based upon specific program objectives." They go on to say, "You deserve the same level of credibility in closing this chapter of your life as when you opened it. Navigating through the numerous channels out there to find the best solution to help you exit your ownership can be a daunting task. With Ovation by Wyndham, we're here to help you gracefully transition to the next phase of your life - wherever that may take you."

Wyndham Owners Skeptical

The initial online reaction from Wyndham owners was rampant skepticism. Wyndham owners, in general, said they are suspicious that Ovation is simply another "Pathways," a predecessor program that turned into a PR disaster when owners discovered they'd have to spend MORE money, by buying more points, to get out of their timeshares. And getting out was not guaranteed.

Now, having been burned by Pathways, Wyndham is proceeding cautiously with Ovation while it tests the waters to see which exit programs, if any, best suit their owner base.

The venture is being closely watched by the industry because, to date, no major brand-name developer has created a program that allows longtime owners to easily divest themselves of their timeshare contracts. In fact, as Wyndham quietly acknowledges, many companies have turned their backs on original owners, forcing them to deal with third party resale and transfer companies that, in some cases, are running absolute scams - and taking advantage of timeshare owners who are desperate to sell.

Give-Back and Resale Options

Here's what Adam Schwartz, Wyndham Vacation Ownership's Chief Branding and Communications Officer, told us about Ovation.

The company is exploring several exit options, simultaneously, to see how they address the demands from owners.

  1. The first is a straightforward referral program, where Wyndham refers owners to a group of resellers who can help sell their timeshare. The resellers are all vetted by Wyndham, so owners can build confidence that they are working with legitimate companies. "Fly by night" companies that demand $1,000 or more in upfront fees for resale listings are not on the Ovation list, Schwartz said.
  2. The second option is a give-back program, where Wyndham takes back title and allows the owner to end their timeshare contract. This option is not available to all owners; Wyndham retains the right to take back properties it wants or, down the road, can resell to a new buyer.
  3. Option number three blends the give-back program with a right-to-continue-traveling within the club for up to three years. Owners would not have to continue paying maintenance fees while still using the club's travel and exchange services.

"We are testing these concepts to see how much (of the demand) we can fulfill without aggressively broadcasting it – and without breaking our own bank while helping owners," Schwartz said.

No Fees or Purchases Required

Having clearly learned a lesson or two from the Pathways experience, Wyndham says they will NOT charge owners additional fees or force them to purchase anything in order to participate in Ovation.

"Owners are skeptical and may think this is a program to market them to buy more, but if you are really exiting, you will go on the 'do-not-market' list," Schwartz said.

The only exclusion for participation is an unpaid mortgage. Owners who are still paying off their mortgage cannot participate in Ovation until that debt is resolved.

To date, beyond the user-group chat rooms, the initial owner response to Ovation has been positive. "We know how many people have called and gone through the program. It encourages us that we are heading the right direction," Schwartz said.

"I really believe we are going to turn this into a win-win situation for developers and owners," Schwartz said. "Developers have been hesitant to open this Pandora's Box, to recognize that people, at some point in time, may not want to own their timeshare anymore. The question is: are we going to embrace it and find a solution – or shove it under the rug, hide it in the closet, and let others figure it out? With this program, we're trying to convey to Wyndham owners, that if they want to end their ownership, we want them to call us so we can help them."

Time will tell, since the program is still in its infancy and likely to be customized as Wyndham gets more feedback from owners. But as a first step – in an industry that has been reluctant to talk about end-game strategies for owners – it's a start.

RedWeek Needs Wyndham Owners

Are you interested in trying out this program? If so, reach out to us first, and let us follow your experience with Wyndham: what they offer you, how satisfied you are with the options, etc. We have opened up a forum on this topic - please post there if you are interested in sharing your experience. We plan to compile a report with actual owner results in the coming months.

About the author

This answer was provided by RedWeek contributor, Jeff Weir. Jeff is a California-based journalist who has covered California, Congress, and the White House. He also has roots in Silicon Valley, where he directed public relations and marketing programs for high-tech companies. He is also a timeshare owner and member of RedWeek.com.

Comments (157)

    Avatar for LaVada L.
    LaVada L.
    Jul 12, 2023

    People are so gullible! We have somehow managed to buy 1,000,000 pts in Wyndham and none of our kids want it. We are too old, can't travel as much, and are stuck with a timeshare that eats our lunch every month. The salespeople will tell you anything to make a sale and I think they take advantage of us older people. I hope something is done so that people can get smarter about timeshares and how hard they are to get rid of. I don't have much faith in Wyndham to help us get out of this nightmare we have created for ourselves.

    Avatar for Kenneth O.
    Kenneth O.
    Nov 14, 2022

    Good Evening All, I already started my wyndham ovation exit program. Paid my timeshare in full last month 10yrs with 15% apr.smh. Now I got an email from wyndham regarding the deed application. Filing fee is about $710 and optional $250 title insurance. Do I need to apply deed in order to go through the ovation process. Asking for members with similar experience. Thank you

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    Robert Y.
    Oct 14, 2022

    does Wyndham Own Hilton vacation club. I own at Sedona summit

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    Bobby C.
    Mar 14, 2022

    Bought with Wyndham in the early 2000’s . The regrets I have with them is the shouting matches I use to have with them when I went to book some time away with my family. They would never have anything available for a good long weekend or a week get away I would be willing to take . Then maintanence fees and house cleaning fees would be tossed into the loop this would make your points more . What a mess ! you could book maybe 1 week a year. Sad for all the money you pay.! The best getaways with Wyndham was to go to the resorts get the freebies and say hell no ! Can’t do it cause I got my own bills to pay and please get out of there. Unfortunately in the early 2000’s we melted to sales pitch in Nashville and got stuck . I booked with Williamsburg and had to go to another spill through Wyndham . The guy who talk to us through the spill said we needed more points . So we told him we couldn’t buy more because we had 2 kids in college cannot afford it . He himmed and hauled.!He said I don’t know why you want buy, we were stopping him from getting toys for his children at Christmastime . Really? That was definitely a turn off for me I told my husband time was up, let’s go. If you go to a spill when 90 minutes are up you can leave . Please Leave! Don’t stay they are trying to get you to sway. After so many years fighting with them booking time we wanted to get rid of it . Nobody I mean nobody was willing to take it back without paying them money. So , finally the great Wyndham decided they would take back there property as long as there were no strings attached otherwords they wanted the property paid off and in return through the ovation process we got nothing . So . Please read this don’t get attached say no that way you want be out of a lot of money.

    Avatar for Craig B.
    Craig B.
    Mar 01, 2022

    Just learned about the Ovations, now Certified Exit program. We have a fully paid deeded week at River Village II at Shawnee on Delaware, PA, which is a Wyndham property, but I don't know if or where it falls among the Wyndham clubs. Would our timeshare qualify?

    Avatar for Thomas W. B.
    Thomas W. B.
    May 28, 2021 (edited)

    We were owners of about 2,000,000 points, almost all purchased at resale. For several years, I successfully "rented" points which meant transferring points to someone else's account so they could use them as they chose. Then Wyndham stopped allowing that. Next, I was able to "rent" points by booking reservations from my account, taking advantage of Platinum discounts and upgrades. This was aided by having points in different use-years. If a reservation made in one use-year was canceled, the points generally rolled over into another use year. In that way, points could be kept from expiring if they were not rented. Then Wyndham stopped allowing that. Over the years Wyndham introduced more and more "enhancements" which really were ways to keep owners from being able to use their points. Many people on this forum have mentioned the difficulty in booking reservations at the time and place they desire. It reached the point that I really could not use my points, and the ever-increasing maintenance fees became a huge burden. Then came the Ovation program. When I learned of it, I contacted Wyndham. They were willing to take back everything EXCEPT four weeks at Fairfield Plantation. The paperwork arrived in about six weeks ready to be signed and notarized. We took care of that and returned the paperwork. A few weeks later, we no longer owned the bulk of our timeshare portfolio. It went as promised (probably the ONLY thing that has gone as Wyndham promised) . Yes, we lost our "investment" in the weeks we purchased, but since we had purchased at a hugely discounted resale price, we were happy to lose that because it meant that the maintenance fees were gone. We are still stuck with our Fairfield Plantation weeks, though. My advice to those of you who are burdened by the maintenance fees and no longer use your units: just bite your lip and accept that you will not get back what you paid. Just move on. Take advantage of Ovation. Look forward to NO MAINTENANCE FEES! And get on with your life. Don't keep throwing good money after bad! More advice: don't plan on giving your timeshare to your kids. It will be just as much of a millstone around their necks as it is for you. Don't go to member updates when you stay at a resort. They always take longer than they promise, and you risk falling for more of the lies and false promises that they spew. We always unplug the phones in our unit first thing. That way we don't have to keep saying "no." They usually try to get you to commit to an update appointment when you get your parking pass. We either say that we have a busy schedule and we'll get back to them tomorrow to schedule our update, or sometimes we just skip the parking pass. At most resorts there really is no checking of parking passes. The timeshare industry preys on the innocent and uninformed. The salespeople lie and lie and lie. When will it end?

    Avatar for Jessica K.
    Jessica K.
    May 10, 2021

    Wyndham is a scam. We requested paperwork to start the exit process in July 2020 and “due to COVID” they didn’t send us the paperwork until March 2021 despite numerous phone calls Following up on the paperwork. We quickly completed the paperwork and mailed It back via certified mail. They gave us the runaround saying the process has not been finalized and we are still on the hook for 2021 maintenance fees despite request for financial assistance due to COVID. They sent the “agreement” outlining the process to an unused email address so we never received it. They are unclear about the process and use every delay tactic to prolong the exit process and threaten you with collections. And on top of that 3 of the 4 reps I spoke with were hostile and disrespectfully raising their voices when I was asking why we received a maintenance delinquency notice after we had returned the paperwork well before the due date. They are a scam and I regret ever entering into contract with these people! They should be investigated for fraudulent activity!

    Avatar for Brenda F.
    Brenda F.
    Apr 20, 2021

    Dear Linda M - the way you describe your experience with the ownership AND the exit with ovation is a mirror image of how my husband and I had our experience. We were very pleased to have owned when we did and were ready to ‘break even’ about 2018 as well and we did that very thing. It took a couple of months to send correspondence back and forth and notarize and once done it was indeed DONE :) hoping others on here have the same experience as you and we did. Take Care and May God Bless!

    lindam1953 wrote:
    We owned a timeshare with Wyndham (paid cash). We "returned" ours through the Ovation process. We requested the form. They sent it, we signed it, dated it, notarized it, sent it back. They "released" us of it. (thy DO NOT buy it back - you forfeit what you paid for it, fortunately we utilized ours for years - so we "looked" at it as breaking even) - in return - No more fees, taxes or dues. We were very worried about the "timeshare trap" But Wyndham made it very simple. From what I understand, if you own with Wyndham - "you're" one of the "lucky" ones. Not sure the "other" timeshares offer the Ovation option. Been timeshare free for 3 years. They were true-to-their-word. Have not received any further obligations, news letters, maintenance fees or correspondence. Ovation truly was a blessing.

    Avatar for Dennis D.
    Dennis D.
    Apr 20, 2021

    My wife and I attended what we thought was an update meeting at Club Wyndham in Branson ,Mo. at the Mountain Visa resort on 04/19/2021. During the get to know you portion I mention we were interested in learning about the Ovation Program. The Representative immediately dismissed himself and after a few short minutes a second representative showed up stating he was the guy that talked to disgruntle owners. I did not know I was disgruntle.

    He began to tell me why I could not get out of my timeshare. We paid cash when we bought way back in 2000. He wanted to know if we ever brought our kids to one of the resorts. I said our kids were grown and vacationed where they wanted and did not care about coming to Wyndham. He stated no wonder your kids did not like Wyndham as I had never brought them. He went on to question my life and was very insulting. My anger became so great I had to walk out. I learned that the Ovation Program was only for people that had disastrously sickness and had not used their timeshare in a long while. We were told we were using ours. Please remember I just mentioned Ovation Program and wanted to know more.

    We have been owners for twenty years and the most disliked portion has been high pressure sales presentations and update meetings. I did find out we did not have to attend these meeting and offered for us to leave.

    I state all this so others might know how I was treated by mentioning Ovation Program and was seeking information. I would say to the CEO of Wyndham that your program is not working very well.

    Hope everyone else has a better experience and could give me some pointers on whom to contact. I want out after this experience.

    Dennis D.

    Avatar for Linda M.
    Linda M.
    Mar 19, 2021

    We owned a timeshare with Wyndham (paid cash). We "returned" ours through the Ovation process. We requested the form. They sent it, we signed it, dated it, notarized it, sent it back. They "released" us of it. (thy DO NOT buy it back - you forfeit what you paid for it, fortunately we utilized ours for years - so we "looked" at it as breaking even) - in return - No more fees, taxes or dues. We were very worried about the "timeshare trap" But Wyndham made it very simple. From what I understand, if you own with Wyndham - "you're" one of the "lucky" ones. Not sure the "other" timeshares offer the Ovation option. Been timeshare free for 3 years. They were true-to-their-word. Have not received any further obligations, news letters, maintenance fees or correspondence. Ovation truly was a blessing.

    Avatar for Gerald S.
    Gerald S.
    Feb 22, 2021 (edited)

    I would like to try the ovation program,no morgrage& up to date on Matinice

    Avatar for Elwood P.
    Elwood P.
    Feb 05, 2021

    I would be interested in phasing out my time share points..

    using wyndham resort with out paying maintenance for 15 years would help to recover the $34000.00 in initial purchase. anything less would be scamming the owners out of our intitial purchase. we were told upon purchase that we have title to the said Wyndham properties otherwise there should be a class act lawsuit against wyndham for douping people out of our retirement savings

    Avatar for Heather M.
    Heather M.
    Feb 05, 2021 (edited)

    A few hard truths from someone currently going through the process.We've been Worldmark by Wyndham owners for about 5 years, and have been extremely disappointed with the lack of inventory, constantly increasing fees, and arbitrary changes to the rules (housekeeping tokens have to apply to 1st stay of the year, etc). Fyi, we're paid in full for our points. We started the Ovation process in early October, requesting option 3 above. We were told we don't qualify for that option. Unfortunately, my husband made the call and can't explain to me why. He went ahead with option 2, and our ability to reserve using our banked points was shut off immediately. But fees continued. Someone here mentioned it taking 3 weeks to get the paperwork. It took a full 3 months for us to receive the email with a 1 page standard form. 19 days after their title office received it in mid January (signed and sent via Fedex), they charged our fees again. Now, my husband tells me the original email he received says the paperwork has to be notarized, but the woman he spoke to when he called said it did not.This was unclear in the email that came with the form. We certainly didn't need a notary to sign up, so if it is required, their claim of wanting to give us the same rights at exit as at entry is suspect. We live in California, so are hopeful that some consumer-facing law, as we tend to have here, kept us from needing a notary. When he made the call and they shut off our account, they did not speak to me. If they do need notarized forms, it seems odd that they can shut off the use of the points (but continue to charge fees for months) with just a verbal from one of two owners.

    Avatar for Carol F.
    Carol F.
    Dec 17, 2020

    Can anyone who has gone through the Ovation by Wyndam exit program share their documents? I've qualified for the program, but it sounds like I may not receive any info for 4-7 weeks, and then need to turn it around fairly quickly. Thus I would like to review a "draft" to see what it actually says before committing to the program. Thx so much!

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    Joyce C.
    Dec 17, 2020

    Beginning ovation process .hopeful a non stressful event .

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    Brian K.
    Oct 30, 2020

    it took us almost a year. I didn’t want my wife to unfairly get stuck with maintenance fees should I die. I’ve stayed at the condo 31 times and I love it, but i has to get away from these dishonest people. I had to give up this years week and give them my about $1000 maintenance fee to do so. They said I could enroll in something like RCI and use that week but pay hundreds of dollars more to do so. Then, who’s to say we would find a good accommodation anywhere. After a million phone calls they sent a letter saying it’s done but if they have any title problems they can come back to us. They said to call the Bureau of convenience in Kona and they would give a copy of the title transfer, but they couldn’t. To conclude, I strongly suggest that you do it and get away from these con people. I won’t give up until i get my $1000 back.

    Avatar for Julie T.
    Julie T.
    Oct 07, 2020

    looking to sell 5000 SVC points.. posting shortly. I like SVC but I am at heart a Worldmark owner and have my bucket of travel with that program. Buy aftermarket. never developer or you will not get your money back. With points based systems you need to buy enough points to keep your membership dues under control... The exchange options with II and RCI are phenomenal. SVC and Worldmark have lots of leverage.

    Avatar for Mark A.
    Mark A.
    Sep 13, 2020 (edited)

    Face facts..selling your time share is about impossible. The time share company has some idiotic program where you pay them additional exit fee type money...and however that works.. it works in their favor...not yours. See my related posts here. Your way out is STOP PAYING .STOP PAYING..STOP PAYING. Stop paying your dues and walk away. There is an exit program...which costs you more money to use...and you most likely wont qualify for it. ABSURD

    Avatar for Mark A.
    Mark A.
    Sep 11, 2020 (edited)

    👹Everyone seems to believe they are trapped in their time share. Where did this idea come from? If you want out of your time share...stop paying...stop paying...stop paying. Then, the time share repossesses your time share and dings your credit for a few years. Let them!! I can’t believe anyone would pay anyone several thousand dollars for the privilege of giving away their time share. And the time share is not hurt.. not hurt...not hurt. They just have to find another buyer....and if it’s such a fabulous thing to own like they say it is...they won’t have any problem re-selling it. You are the little guy trying to get by. The time share is the powerful big guy with lots of money and all the big promises. I know what side I am on. What side are you on? ? The time share company won’t like this notion...but if you are a salesman selling time shares, you should love this because you will have more shares to be able to sell!!! Get it ?

    Avatar for Mark A.
    Mark A.
    Sep 11, 2020

    👹👹The easiest way..by far..to get rid of a time share..QUIT paying the dues...exactly the same way you might stop paying a mortgage or a car loan. You will not be sued...you will not be thrown in jail..you will not be beat up. But you will lose your timeshare...similar to a foreclosure. Your credit will be damaged for a few years. So what? I am retired, my house is fully paid for, if I buy a new car I will pay cash for it. I don’t use credit...I don’t need credit. But I do predict one future day being sick of paying maintenance dues on a time share I will stop using in the future...and when that day arrives I will not pay any more money to anyone for anything. I will simply stop making any payments to the time share and I suggest you do the same.