Ask RedWeek / July, 2021

Is Wyndham taking owners' rights away?

I can't travel right now, so I changed my Wyndham Bonnet Creek reservation to send my kids and grandkids. Wyndham canceled their reservation the day before they were scheduled to arrive! Yes, I got my points back, but what consolation is that when they left my family with plane and Disney tickets and NO accommodations? I am furious. How can they do this?

Yes, we would be furious, too. Wyndham's new guest policies are vague and poorly executed, resulting in guest reservations being confirmed, then canceled last minute.

How It Started

Wyndham created a problem for themselves during the pandemic when most of their resorts were closed for an extended period. With more owners than any other chain, most of whom couldn't use their points, reservations after re-opening were limited and competitive. Wyndham decided to make sure their owners could use their time by limiting reservations for non-owners. On the surface, that seemed like a reasonable plan: let owners use the time that they've paid for and been unable to use. The policy was originally presented as a response to the company's extensive COVID closures, and temporary, to allow for owners to catch up on their vacations.

However, the company has continued to evolve the policy in a way that is NOT in owners' best interest. Restricted dates moved from one or two holiday weeks at a few resorts to EVERY summer weekend and ALL holidays through New Years 2023 (updated Oct 2021) - at their most popular resort options. Many Wyndham owners aren't ready to travel yet. Wyndham's new guest policy, though claiming to be only at peak times in peak resorts, essentially makes it impossible for owners who are not traveling to do much of anything with their ownership. If you own a vacation home, you can let your grown kids and grandkids use it. If you own Wyndham points, Wyndham has taken away your ownership rights - you do not have the ability to use your ownership as you wish.

Confusing Mixed Messages

To make it worse, Wyndham's own website claims, though there are restricted periods, owners can still travel with guests OR use two guest reservations during the restricted time periods when not traveling with guests. However, communication with both Owner Care and Wyndham's corporate communications employees make it clear that the policy is intentionally vague, and not as user-friendly. In fact, the actual policy they are operating under says that, if you make a new reservation for a "restricted period" that's not in your name, they can cancel it at any time, up to 24 hours before your guest checks in.

The real frustration for owners is: you can actually make a guest reservation for these times... they will only cancel it "if they reach 100% owner occupancy at the resort"... at any future date, they determine they want more rooms for owners... they will cancel your guest's reservation to make the room. Sure, you get your points and housekeeping credits returned, but yes, that's little consolation when your guests have flights and tickets booked, and are stranded without a place to stay.

And, don't trust what the resorts themselves tell you about your guest reservations - corporate representatives made it clear that the resort staff will not know. The corporate office is cancelling reservations after they've been confirmed. Even Owner Care is confused and offering different answers depending on who you talk to.

We believe Wyndham's policy started from a place of wanting to help their owners, but they have gone about it all wrong. What they forgot, is that OWNERSHIP implies a level of control over how their purchase is used. If an owner wishes to gift their week to a friend, or even recover their maintenance fees for the year they aren't traveling by renting it out, that is an essential owner right. Wyndham claims they are "cracking down" on owners using their weeks for profit, so this is an attempt to shut this down. Their website-stated policy to allow two guest certificates would have been a reasonable middle ground. The fact that they have plainly stated they will not honor guest certificates means they are simply cutting owner rights. Owners will need to fight back against any policy that restricts how they are able to use their ownership, or companies will continue to reduce benefits and raise costs without consequence.

What Can Wyndham Owners Do?

For now, be very careful with guest reservations on Wyndham's restricted list. Don't send anyone to use a reservation unless they're flexible with last minute cancellations.

Not sure how Wyndham has the ability to change your ownership rights after selling you the timeshare? Check your ownership documents carefully. If you can forward them on to us, we would like to better understand the legal implications of this as well.

Please let us know what you think — positive or negative — in the comments below. You can also let Wyndham's Owner Care department know by calling 855-287-3856 (or 833-624-0346 for VIP owners).

Comments (64)

    Avatar for Paul P.
    Paul P.
    Apr 12, 2024 (edited)

    I had the same experience as many of those listed in the comments. My wife and I are elderly (81 and 76) so we bought a "Legacy Program" so that when we pass away our children will not be burdened with the extremely high maintenance costs ($3,400 yearly and rising). We were told by at least three sales people we could buy ghost points we would not use and have these for rental purposes. One sales person even showed us her list of clients she was helping to offset maintenance fees by renting out their ghost points and how much they had received. The recommendation was that we buy into Bonnet Creek since we could easily use these as rentals because the place was so popular. We bought and now we are stuck with extra points (we can't travel much now) with no way out except to use Wyndham's rental program that takes the majority of the rental returns. Our problem is that we trusted Wyndham and took their word. It looks like we got took. I am going to send my comments to the Florida state Attorney General so she will at least know what is going on. For others with the Wyndham problem go to: myfloridalegal.com, then click "general complaints." If a class action suit develops, and we are still around, count us in. All the best.

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    Rhonda A.
    Mar 11, 2023

    My brother and I both spent a significant amount of time on the phone with Wyndham two separate days this week trying to fight this battle. We are VIP Platinum owners who have always had 15 guest reservations per year allotted to us, until this year. This week we were forced to cancel vacations for family and friends due to Wyndham's implementation of this policy. When are family purchased Platinum points, we were told we had 15 guest reservations per year whereas entry level had 2. This week we were told that all tier levels were treated equal. If that is the case, we would never have bothered purchasing so many points. I will continue to press this issue especially after years of sitting in high pressure sales meetings being told of the benefits of owning more points, becoming accustomed to utilizing said points for our family, then suddenly having the privileges and promises that came with those points stripped away.

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    James F.
    Oct 08, 2022

    Let me get this straight. Wyndham initiates these rental restrictions under the pretense that they are helping the owners reserve the prime time for the owners use, so no rentals. Meanwhile, isn't it strange that at the same time, they promote their own new rental business, "Extra Holidays"? They offer to take your, now unusable, “developer” points so they can use them to rent to the same renters that you would have rented to. IF they do rent them, no guaranty, they will split any proceeds, which I’m sure would be a SMALL portion of your fees. If you haven’t yet learned, Wyndham has NEVER made a change to their policies to benefit the owners, EVER. Their new slogan, “Wyndham Cares”, means Wyndham cares for Wyndham. They want you to become “VIP” with all the wonderful benefits. Then they begin to reduce and eliminate those benefits. It’s just the same old “bait & switch” that we’ve endured for decades. And, this is all legal??

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    James F.
    Oct 08, 2022 (edited)

    Let me get this straight. Wyndham initiates these rental restrictions under the pretense that they are helping the owners reserve the prime time for the owners use, so no rentals. Meanwhile, isn't it strange that at the same time, they promote their own new rental business, "Extra Holidays"? They offer to take your, now unusable, “developer” points so they can use them to rent to the same renters that you would have rented to. IF they do rent them, no guaranty, they will split any proceeds, which I’m sure would be a SMALL portion of your fees. If you haven’t yet learned, Wyndham has NEVER made a change to their policies to benefit the owners, EVER. Their new slogan, “Wyndham Cares”, means Wyndham cares for Wyndham. They want you to become “VIP” with all the wonderful benefits. Then they begin to reduce and eliminate those benefits. It’s just the same old “bait & switch” that we’ve endured for decades. And, this is all legal??

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    Wendy V.
    Mar 04, 2022

    Another wrinkle. Recently arrived for my vacation, having booked a 1 bedroom unit 20 months ago, only to be told that no 1-bedroom was available and my reset would be downgraded. In fact, I wasn’t even informed at check-in — they just sent me to the alternate unit. When I returned to reception to correct the “mistake” they told me it was no mistake - the resort was at capacity and my reservation was “impacted.” I am a Silver VIP owner. So what ! Very poor policy and procedures.

    Avatar for Joe D.
    Joe D.
    Dec 27, 2021

    Sandra, tried to contact you through Redweek but they said they needed your user nae or ore identifiable information. Thanks for the FL AG information - 7033284403

    sandran38 wrote:
    Owners can/should also file complaints with the Florida Attorney General. If enough people do this, maybe the Fla. AG will do something. Go to myfloridalegal.com, then click "general complaints." You can file the complaint form online or download an Adobe Acrobat version and mail it in to the address on the website.

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    Joe D.
    Nov 25, 2021 (edited)

    Anyone interested in pursuing the Wyndham guest policy please send an email to wyndhamguest@protonmail.com

    Reply will come back as "Wyndham Guest Block"

    Avatar for Megan C.
    Megan C.
    Nov 15, 2021

    We are platinum owners. We were sold on getting more points so we can rent out units to cover our maintenance fees. The sales people actually sat there and told us what units would rent for and what locations would be the best to rent from. This sales pitch was given to us over and over and over and over and over. Years of hearing this sales tactic we are in well over 1 million points and we can't do what they sold us on being able to do. WE ARE 100% IN ON A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!!!

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    Daniel E.
    Nov 12, 2021

    Is anyone aware of a class action lawsuit being filed and how someone can become a member of the class

    Avatar for Curtis S.
    Curtis S.
    Nov 03, 2021

    I never purchased from Wyndham, but am now captive to their terrible owner care. My timeshare week has been sold to a new management company, twice, with the current owner being Wyndham. I enjoyed my timeshare ownership prior to Wyndham taking over, but I've been treated as a "second class citizen" by Wyndham from day one since I have never purchased any points from them and never intend to. Renting it through them was a rip-off with their huge percentage and not renting it out for the entire week. Maybe after the pandemic winds down I can finally sell it.

    Avatar for Joe D.
    Joe D.
    Nov 01, 2021 (edited)

    It seems as those who were encouraged to buy excessive points through Wyndham Developer sites (option to rent unused points) are disadvantaged by those who purchased cheap Wyndham Points on EBAY. Lesson learned the hard way. It would be nice if they could list a comprehensive Resorts and guest blackout dates. Blackout dates listed for each Resort. The current listing of Resort black out dates is extremely unprofessional.

    Avatar for Alan P.
    Alan P.
    Oct 28, 2021

    I think there should be a class action Law Suit. If in New York contact the attorney general

    Avatar for Paul E.
    Paul E.
    Oct 27, 2021 (edited)

    We had this experience and I actually had to go to Bonnet Creek to sign my son and his family in at the resort. They had cancelled prior reservations in his (guest) name. This happened 3 times in the process. It was a real mess and at minimum cost me a round trip airfare to Orlando to execute their Disney vacation staying at Bonnet Creek. Frustrated and concerned about a future reservation that I plan to convert to a Guest Reservation at Wyndham Clearwater Beach for next spring.

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    Ann G
    Oct 27, 2021

    This is a very frustrating time for Wyndham timeshare owners. I truly wonder if the timeshare giant is going to go out of business. So many owners, especially the VIP owners who own more than they occupy, and also the ones who make repeat purchases are the most unhappy with Wyndham's onerous new random policy changes. I'm afraid they are under new management (CEO) and that he or other administrators is leading the company in the wrong direction. I feel somewhat stuck at present, but will keep watch on further developments.

    Avatar for Joe D.
    Joe D.
    Oct 27, 2021 (edited)

    I am interested in informing other owners of the Wyndham integrity problem since the furthest I get is owner care that keeps repeating ridiculous talking points. I own over 2 million company purchased Wyndham Points (not resale). When I would tell the sales person I did not want to upgrade because I could not travel that much they always said you could rent units to help cover maintenance fees. Now Wyndham is changing all that. I called owner care very upset as I saw a few weeks booked as rentals falling into the no guest period. I made the adjustments to the reservation. Yesterday I realized Wyndham blocked off another set of dates for Guests. I was on the phone with owner care for an hour and all they would continually say is "we are looking out for our owners". Told them I paid premium money for my ownership and all reservations should be respected. There is availability for bookings in March that have been blocked for guests. There is no recourse as owner care says they are the end of the line. The Wyndham updates for blocking guests look like something a 3rd grader would put together, often duplicative. The new Wyndham rules make me appreciate my elite HGVC membership. With my extensive timeshare points I have a lot of contacts in the timeshare world. I will advise all present Wyndham owners not to upgrade and future timeshare people to go somewhere else. This was poor planning on Wyndham's part. Although it would still be wrong they could have made a simple reservation rule such as no guest reservations would be honored unless made within 8 months of stay. The only other possibility is Wyndham has over sold their membership. Owners with points they can not use will just lose them. Wyndham has just withdrawn itself from the honesty and integrity rank of timeshares such as Hilton. Mike Brown should know better. I remember him when he was CEO of HGVC. Does the Guest block apply to Wyndham's Extra Holiday rental program? Most of the people complaining about owners renting units are those that wait until 4 months out to book. I believe the real problem here is Wyndham's overselling of points is outpacing Wyndham adding inventory or they want owners who are easier to upgrade than guests buying into Wyndham. Very happy with my HGVC ownership.

    Avatar for Barbara P.
    Barbara P.
    Oct 26, 2021

    Wyndham has continued to do everything they can to make things worse for owners. Since we couldn't use all of our points because of Covid, I booked several reservations (we are entitled to 30 guest certificates) to rent out on RedWeek. I have been constantly changing reservations to accommodate Wyndham's restrictions. Even when I have booked a reservation which was not on their restricted list, I was told that was a mistake on Wyndham's part and the date should have been on the restricted list. I can't win. It's been very confusing, and Wyndham has made it difficult for owners to access the information about the restrictions. I wish there was something owners could do; it seems like they promised owners "rights" and take them away at their discretion. I'm also in for a class action lawsuit. I'm so disgusted with Wyndham! Who wants to start this class action lawsuit? Anyone know how it works?

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    Susan D.
    Oct 26, 2021

    Wyndham is merely a ponzi pyramid scheme.

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    Bruce K.
    Oct 26, 2021

    I don’t think Wyndham is a good buy. You need huge amounts of points to get family size accommodations and huge amounts of points means huge maintenance fees.

    Avatar for Brent B.
    Brent B.
    Oct 26, 2021

    The truth is Wyndham makes more profits when an owner uses their timeshare and they then have the opportunity to make another sale by upgrading them while they are there. Neither COVID nor the lack of availability due to MEGA Renters has anything to do with this. It was mandated by the Senior VP of Sales after he did a study on profit based on which type of guests stays on property and which type generates the most revenue for the company, and it's not guests or renters: OWNERS Win every time. They are greedy and their only interests lie in their pay checks and stock prices. It's time for owners to put their foot down with these people NOW!!! We won't even get into Extra Holidays and them allowing rentals there, but nowhere else!

    Avatar for Vacation Travel
    Vacation Travel
    Oct 26, 2021

    Could this be a breach of contract?

    Could owners bring a Class Action Law Suit against Wyndham and get their money back?

    I paid over $30,000 for my Wyndham Timeshare.