Resort Condos Plus - anyone?

uras wrote:

Id have to agree any money paid up front IS a SCAMMER...Including yourself MISSY. Get a real Job I heard walmart was hiring. Dont knock the game when your caught right in the middle. You have Kids??? How do u feel feeding them with stolen money. Thats real Nice.

Do what .... I am retired and post on these forums to inform people of scams in the world of timeshare ... what in the world are you rambling about .... your post does not make one iota of sense.

Hi there I just received an email with this link, if anyone has any idea if this is legit or not please post it here and let us know. I still need to sell my TS.

This is what part of their website states "Have you been a Victim of Fraud or Misrepresentation on your timeshare purchase?

You may be able to get legal assistance in Canceling Your Timeshare Contract Regardless of your rescission period.

Misrepresentation and Fraud are Serious violations of law that can be redressed with the help of Legal Assistance.

We will help you find an Experienced Attorney for Your Timeshare Issue Now! "

check it out for yourself and cross your fingers that it is legit. http://www.thetimesharebailout.com/index.html

jayjay wrote:

parichatp wrote:

Hi I just paid them today $2,050. How stupid I wassss. My husband is not in town. He would be really mad. After I paid, I felt something weird about the whole thing. I looked the compnay up online and found this forum. I felt even more stupid. I contacted my bank immediately. My bank credited the money back to me. However, they said that I have to call them and make tham cancel the transaction. I doubt they will cancel it. My bank said that no matter what, I will get my money back. I learned from this mistake big time. I think we're stuck with our timeshare. We have 2 timeshares. We have 2 companies that are trying to sell them for us. We paid like $900 total. YOu guys are right we have never from them again. I will never pay money upfront or pay anything again. I think I am kinda lucky to find out that they are scammer on the same day I paid. Thanks everyone for sharing the information.

Just curious, did you sign a contract with that company?

Hello sorry for a late reply. I did sign a contract with them. However, we just get our money back from the bank today. We won the dispute. I do not know that they acutally sold our TS or not. All the evidence we had is from their words. They cant show us other evidence.It sounds really strange. Anyway, Our saleperson called us last week and told us that our deal was off coz our bank took money from their account. Just curious anyone paid them and they actually sold your TS. Thanks so much. We really have no idea that they sold our TS or not.

parichatp wrote:

We really have no idea that they sold our TS or not.

You'll likely have your answer soon enough --- when your annual maintenance fee arrives in your mailbox, still clearly addressed to YOU (...that time of year is approaching for the mailing of such bills).

Need some advice from you guys before we try and find a lawyer to ask about this.

Wife and I own a biannual timeshare with Wyndham / Fairfield.

I received a call from a Steve Janowski, (817) 349-6447, representing RCP Resorts Condos Plus, based in Houston, TX. He asked if I was still interested in selling our timeshare, as they had someone interested in purchasing it, and quoted that they were trying to sell it somewhere between $12,000 and $14,000. I said yes, we were interested in selling at that price.

Steve called me back and said their buyers offered $13,050. (How convenient?) If I accepted that offer, they would start the paperwork process and another guy would call me within 30-45 minutes and he'd want to charge my credit card $2050 and they would work on the title exchanges and everything, which would take 30-45 days before I'd get the money from their escrow.

I said that sounded like a good deal but I'd need to talk to my wife, who is on the title, before we'd pay anything via credit card.

Talked to the wife, looked up the company, found this thread, we decided it sounded too good to be true and said when he calls up, if he'd agree to do an escrow with us on the $2050 sale money we'd bite, but no credit cards. But she really didn't want anything to do with it, and told me she refused to give them any money unless it was through escrow.

So when I get a call back from RCP, the new guy (who is in charge of financing) says they already have a buyer who signed and said they'd buy our timeshare and I agreed to sell it, and RCP can't do escrow, 'they are a 19 million dollar company, they have done it this way for a long time, they are not going to change their ways for me'. He said that because I already agreed to the sale with them charging the credit card fee included in the terms, and because they already have a buyer, if I didn't pay him he'd send our case to his collections dept.

They have no way of proving to us that they actually have a buyer 'because it's illegal for him to share mortgage contract documents'. I have no way of knowing that this is anything but a scam. He tried pressuring us into paying by credit card because 'we're protected by the credit card doing it that way'. I have a feeling they have a way to make sure I can't refuse payment to them in case things go south.

Can they actually try to collect $2k from us for sale of this property if nothing was ever signed and my wife did not agree to anything?

I feel like the section in here about Right of First Refusal means that my wife not agreeing to the sale may be some protection unless I'm reading about the wrong thing. http://real-estate.lawyers.com/residential-real-estate/Real-Estate-Brokers-and-Condos-Coops-and-Timeshares.html

Another link I found looking this up- F with the BBB :( http://www.bbb.org/houston/business-reviews/resorts/resort-condos-plus-in-houston-tx-90008126/

Basically I'd like to know if I need to try and find a lawyer now or wait and see if they are bluffing about sending us to collections. I never gave them any payment or means of payment, or my credit card number.

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He said that because I already agreed to the sale with them charging the credit card fee included in the terms, and because they already have a buyer, if I didn't pay him he'd send our case to his collections dept.

The above is how they operate .... they tell you they have a buyer then when you've handed over your credit card number all of a sudden the buyer can't get financing or the buyer backed out or some other lie is told ... they are out and out crooks, thieves, scammers, criminals, parasites, scum of the earth, bottom feeders etc .... but thank God you didn't give them your credit card # and since you signed NO contract this whole thing is null and void ... in other words there's no way they can come after you ... you have a very smart and astute wife .... if it sounds to good to be true then in 99.99% of cases it is. There's no way anybody is going to spend that much money on a resale timeshare .... remember those words in the future if you're ever contacted again by any upfront fee scam company.

caseyc12 wrote:

Can they actually try to collect $2k from us for sale of this property if nothing was ever signed and my wife did not agree to anything?

I feel like the section in here about Right of First Refusal means that my wife not agreeing to the sale may be some protection unless I'm reading about the wrong thing.

Basically I'd like to know if I need to try and find a lawyer now or wait and see if they are bluffing about sending us to collections. I never gave them any payment or means of payment, or my credit card number.

"Right of first refusal" is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. In the timeshare world, "right of first refusal" generally refers to the exercise of a developer option to "match" the purchase price of a private resale buyer under contract and just buy it back themselves out from under the prospective buyer at that very same price. It used to be a common phenomenon in bigger chains (like Marriott, for example --- or Hyatt) but ROFR seems to be less widespread these days with even the developers being strapped for cash. In any case, ROFR it's not actually in ANY way even remotely relevant to your situation.

As far as contracts go, contracts can indeed certainly be verbal only, with nothing at all existing in writing, and still be completely lawful *IF* *BOTH* parties have overtly verbally mutually agreed to terms. However, unless you were audio recorded by these weasels overtly agreeing to terms, I wouldn't worry about it. Tell them to go pound sand --- they have no case and don't have a leg to stand on. For that mmatter, they likely don't have a "collections dept." in the first place. Call their bluff.

Thanks for the clarification on Rights of First Refusal. I wasn't sure it applied, seemed a bit of a stretch to think it might.

So, worst case scenario, let's say they did audio record me agreeing that I'd pay them $2050 if I was offered $13,000 from their buyer in the second conversation I had, before being contacted by Mr. rude Financial guy.

By the time I was talking to him, I asked as many ways that I could think of and they refused to provide any proof that they actually had a buyer and I wasn't just being scammed. I was supposed to just take his word for it and use my credit card as some kind of protection.

Let's say they do have a collections office and they are going to try and go after me for the $2050. I guess I should I wait until I hear from them before getting legal advice? Or would it be too late then?

i just got off the phone Jason Riley From resort condos plus ,the houston area. He told me he had someone who wanted my timeshare i just needed to pay him $2050 first. i told him it sounds great. i was going to get $37k for my timeshare. i told him i just wanted to check on his company before i give my cc info to him. He directed me to the web site. i called the800 # several times and got no response. When i told him that he gave me a different # to call. i then asked him to send me a writen agreement via fed-ex then i would send him a check. He stated that the deal might not be available and that if he was to send any information that it would be to much to send. ???? i asked him to explain he stated that it would be a book. He may it clear that i needed to pay for NOW or the deal is off the table. I asked him to then fax me anagreement what i would be paying for and what is the process of getting a refund. Again he was giving me Bull **** response. The only thing going through my head was that the deal was just to good to be true. then i found this forum and i do believe i made the right choose to call it off. PS i did a reverse # check and it came back to a small city near dallas, not houston.

caseyc12 wrote:

So, worst case scenario, let's say they did audio record me agreeing that I'd pay them $2050 if I was offered $13,000 from their buyer in the second conversation I had, before being contacted by Mr. rude Financial guy.

Let's say they do have a collections office and they are going to try and go after me for the $2050. I guess I should I wait until I hear from them before getting legal advice? Or would it be too late then?

Did you not read my previous post to you? You don't need expensive legal advice. The only thing legally binding would have been a signed contract by you and your wife, not a verbal/phone conversation ... you didn't sign a contract, period, and you didn't give them your credit card # = they don't have a leg to stand on.

If they continue to call you then have that phone number refused, however I doubt they will continue to harass you since they KNOW they don't have a legal leg to stand on. Just get on with your life and forget the whole incident.

danf122 wrote:

... then i found this forum and i do believe i made the right choose to call it off. PS i did a reverse # check and it came back to a small city near dallas, not houston.

Ah, the power of the internet !!! Just think how many people they took to the cleaners (robbed) before the internet came along?

The reason I am am still concerned even though we signed nothing is that ken1193 said that if I verbally agreed to their terms (which I did before I knew better) and they recorded me saying it, they could try to come after me.

At this point I will wait to see if they were bluffing. I'm certain that because they called me first, I was never told that my conversation may be recorded. (Isn't that a requirement for use in court?)

I guess I'm still scared that they may actually have a collections dept and have figured out a way to try and bill me for their 'service' and have some way of farking with my credit score if I refuse to pay them.

caseyc12 wrote:

The reason I am am still concerned even though we signed nothing is that ken1193 said that if I verbally agreed to their terms (which I did before I knew better) and they recorded me saying it, they could try to come after me.

At this point I will wait to see if they were bluffing. I'm certain that because they called me first, I was never told that my conversation may be recorded. (Isn't that a requirement for use in court?)

I guess I'm still scared that they may actually have a collections dept and have figured out a way to try and bill me for their 'service' and have some way of farking with my credit score if I refuse to pay them.

You haven't quoted me accurately, but I guess it's close enough...

Be clearly advised that jayjay's prior assertion is entirely incorrect in stating that there must be something signed and in writing in order for there to be a valid contract. That's just flat out WRONG; verbal contracts occur every day. Clearly, jayjay and I attended different law schools --- and one of us missed a whole lot of classes on contract law. I didn't miss ANY...

Nonetheless, I really would not worry --- just as long as you did NOT provide your credit card information OR overtly agree to make any other alternative form of payment. If you did, the credit card charge would almost certainly withstand legal scrutiny; by providing that info you would have clearly and voluntarily agreed to provide specifically identified "consideration" (i.e., payment). If you did NOT provide any credit card information, OR overtly agree to any OTHER alternative method of payment, then there does not appear to have been any mutual agreement regarding the "consideration" part of a "contract". However, I suggest that you do NOT make the mistake of initiating any further contact with these parasites, since doing do could appear (and could reasonably be interpreted and construed as) you pursuing fulfillment of a contractual agreement with them.

Well Ken, we'll just have to agree to disagree ... no signed contract = invalid = null and void.

I didn't have to go to law school to know that ! A signed contract is the ONLY legally binding parcel in a court of law, period, a verbal conversation is NOT valid at all.

I would love to see Judge Judy hear a case such as this. It would make for very entertaining TV.

Even my credit card company declined the charge because they suspect of it as a fraud charge...i bought before reading this forum...dumb me...but thank goodness Wells Fargo stoppped it from going through....becareful guys...i was scammed once before...but this time they sounded too confident for me to miss out...so i went for it...luckily things didn't go through on my credit card....

Same thing. I spoke with someone who made an offer, and I accepted. This was last February. Haven't heard a thing from them since, and they do not answer their phones or return calls.

Rip Off!!!

jayjay wrote:

Well Ken, we'll just have to agree to disagree ... no signed contract = invalid = null and void.

I didn't have to go to law school to know that ! A signed contract is the ONLY legally binding parcel in a court of law, period, a verbal conversation is NOT valid at all.

You are absolutely, 100 % dead wrong, but I'm not going to engage in pointless argument; you obviously have no legal background or subject knowledge whatsoever on matters of contract law. I believe that your intentions are good but, unfortunately, your facts and comprehension on this matter are completely uninformed and entirely incorrect. Clearly, you have absolutely no actual knowledge or legal experience in the arena of contract law. Whether or not you understand, accept or like the legal facts of the matter does not for one moment influence or change the simple and straightforward fact that verbal contracts are common, valid and eminently enforceable if and when all aspects of performance and consideration are mutually agreed upon.

Despite your complete lack of knowledge and /or understanding on the matter of verbal contracts, you are nonetheless still absolutely correct that the OP is in NO danger here --- NOT because "there is nothing in writing" (...which doesn't matter one bit) but instead because the "consideration" (i.e., payment) aspect was never agreed and resolved to the mutual satisfaction of both parties in order to actually consummate the "contract".

Oh my gosh... these are desperate times. Somehow I got the word about 20 years ago to NEVER buy a timeshare for investment value and that they are very difficult to sell -- and this was in the good times. I purchased mine at Maui Ocean Club during good times (1999) for the sole purpose of a forced week of luxury every other year. It was so fabulous that I upgraded the next year to every year. I thoroughly luxuriated for ten years -- life- saving for me. Now, times are tough and I sadly am trying to part with one of my EOY's... I'm thinking I should just hang on and ride this out even with the annual HOA fees. There is just nothing like it. I cannot imagine all the legal hassles folks are going through to unload their timeshares. Even with the free drinks on the plane going home after my purchase, I managed to scrutinize every word in my contract before I gave up my recission rights. What are people doing getting into these contracts in the first place?? And, if you did not do your due diligence with your contract, are you carrying this forward to commitments with shady brokers to sell? Come on folks -- we need to be responsible.

I recieved a call from "Alex" representing this company today and he told me he had a buyer and wanted to know if I was interested in selling my TS. He said that the cost would be $2050 which was not paid up front, but at closing. I told them I wanted to sell the time share and they asked me what I wanted to which I replied $14,000. He said he would call me back.

Since I had been scammed before, I did a google search and found this web site. I also went to the Houston BBB web site, and found that the Company had an "F" rating based on a scale of A+ to F. You can look for your self at the following web site:

http://www.bbb.org/houston/business-reviews/resorts/resort-condos-plus-in-houston-tx-90008126/#rating

He called me back about 30 minutes later and said the Buyer had offered $14,700. He said that I had to have the funds available to pay at closing. I told him that I thought they were to be taken out of the Buyers funds when the sale was completed. He said that was not the way they did things. So I asked which escrow company was being used. He said that their company handled the closing. I told him that I wanted an independent escrow company that had no connection with his company to handle the closing, that way I could be sure that my interest would be protected. He said they did not do that and that If I would like to sale my TS to call him back. Needless to say, I would never call him back!